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1 posted on 04/06/2006 8:33:47 AM PDT by STARWISE
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Just say NO!


1,797 posted on 04/06/2006 11:01:03 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: STARWISE

Heres the compromise:

They will let all the illegals become legal and we lump it.


1,803 posted on 04/06/2006 11:19:38 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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This is really great... Im not American, but youll see me at the mexican border soon enough if this goes through.


1,806 posted on 04/06/2006 11:26:36 PM PDT by ketelone
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I don't know why but I no longer trust anyone in Congress to pass a bill that is for the good of loyal legal Americans.


1,816 posted on 04/07/2006 12:16:35 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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first they came for the confederate flag, and none of you would do anything because you were not southern, now as we said the American flag is being taken by the same forces and replaced by the Mexican flag.


1,832 posted on 04/07/2006 2:00:22 AM PDT by americana214
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Senate voting now on Hagel/Martinez Amendment

CSPAN 2


1,847 posted on 04/07/2006 6:56:56 AM PDT by TomGuy
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Mr. Martinez voted NO ---- and it is his amendment.


1,848 posted on 04/07/2006 6:59:07 AM PDT by TomGuy
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Here’s something you can send to Republicans. This fight is not over.

1.

The most important aspect of immigration reform is to secure the border. The media and the pro-illegal agenda have created the myth that we can’t secure the border unless we do something for the 11 million. All of the bills being proposed in the US Senate only delay the House bill that deals directly with the border problem.

2.

American voters want to remove the 11 million out of this country.
• The recall election of Pro-illegal immigration Governor Grey Davis was won by Arnold Schwarzenegger, who also got 31 percent of the Hispanic vote after opposing SB60 (drivers licenses for illegals) and having Pete Wilson in his camp. Bustamante, the most popular pro-illegal candidate, got only 52 percent of the Hispanic vote and of course lost.
• In Arizona Proposition 200, another law blocking illegals from welfare, passed easily with a 56 percent yes vote, including 40% of the Hispanic vote
• California, a liberal blue state, voted for Prop 187 which would have denied illegals welfare. This resolution was voted for by 25% of hispanics.
• Illegal immigrant groups challenge these propositions in courts because they know that millions of illegals depend on welfare to stay in the US 3.

Forcing illegals out of this country will not destroy the US economy
• Illegals are less than 5% of the workforce, they are not a majority in any industry nor are they “the backbone” of the economy.
• Many of the companies that hire illegals make billions in profits and could easily increase their wages to hire the majority of US workers in their industry.

• The same economic excuse to defend illegal labor was used to successfully defend slavery in the US for decades, resulting in the Civil War.
• The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that illegals cost the federal government $10 billion a year. State and local governments lose even more.

4.

Republicans will not get the “Hispanic Vote” by pandering to the illegal agenda
• Hispanic activist groups are loyal to Mexico first and the socialist agenda second. The National Hispanic Leadership Agenda give democrats over 90% favorable rating. A Conservative has no chance of gaining favor with these groups
• Propositions that cut welfare to illegals are supported by Americans, including many hispanics. Even more support is for securing the borders.
• The way for Conservatives to reach out to hispanics is the same way they reach out to the rest of America, by speaking and voting Conservative.
• The Hispanic Vote is 6% of the voting population

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611002/posts

1,921 posted on 04/07/2006 12:06:09 PM PDT by pulaskibush (USA, founded by tolerant Christians. USSR, founded by intolerant Secularist.)
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It's very sad our so called leaders have no common sense and very little compassion for their own country and people. When we the people get a hold on the graft; this will stop. If we withhold our money; they can not operate. Look we all know they are stealing. It's really time now to get them to stop.


1,956 posted on 04/07/2006 4:15:54 PM PDT by freekitty
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Eight Steps To Destroy America
1-30-5

We all know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context, his thoughts are particularly poignant.

Last week there was an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, Mexifornia, explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal - was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time.

Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: (First) ;"Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

"The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on: (Second:) "Invent 'multi-culturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

"We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. (Third:) The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multi-cultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony.

Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'" Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.'
I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other."

"A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and
geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, (Seventh:) I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate."

"Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' (Eighth:) I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing
as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.


1,974 posted on 04/09/2006 2:11:24 AM PDT by Exton1
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Speaking of making last stabs at illegal alien compromise
1,978 posted on 04/11/2006 9:49:44 PM PDT by joesnuffy ( 'Guest Worker Program' Is To Border Security as 'Campaign Finance Reform' Is To Free Speech)
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