CIRCUMCISION: Did you know?

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[TDunn]

I was hoping to get my flap re-attached. Are there doctors that provide this service?

Most men who want to restore their foreskin choose non-surgical foreskin restoration.

[Armed Civilian]

Here's my From a Christian perspective, I have circumsised both of my son's and will do so to the third that will be here in June. I know that God used it as a sign as a covenant between the males of the nation of Israel and Himself. I do not do it for that. I believe that God also knew of the other physical issues that can come from non-circumsicicion. I also believe that if followed in moderation, the dietary habits as well as hygene habits instituted by God to Israel as nation is beneficial to all.

[Armed Civilian]

Like I really want either of these people or groups representing me.

"My own preference, if I had the good fortune to have another son, would be to leave his little penis alone."
-- Benjamin Spock, M.D., Redbook, April 1989.

The forced amputation of a healthy part of an infant's or child's genitals in the name of medicine, religion, or social custom violates his human rights.
-- NORM: The National Organization of Restoring Men

[Honestfreedom]

I would not consider myself at all qualified to make a judgment on that issue. My point is that circumcisions are not harmful. If they are awful because they prevent enjoyment of sex then they are not harmful because I am circumcised and enjoy sex very much.

[Alouette]

It has been my observation that posters who initiate "anti-circ" threads on FR also have serious Jew problems.

[TDunn]

I have no doubt that there are medical and physical benefits to circumcision, even if we have not discovered them yet.

Doctors have been searching for a medical justification for cutting off a normal, healthy part of a boy's penis since the late 1880s. The first medical justification doctors used was the idea that circumcision helps prevent a boy from masturbating. Medical doctors at that time thought that masturbation caused epilepsy and other medical problems.

"Infant male circumcision was once considered a preventive health measure and was therefore adopted extensively in Western countries. Current understanding of the benefits, risks and potential harm of this procedure, however, no longer supports this practice for prophylactic health benefit. Routine infant male circumcision performed on a healthy infant is now considered a non-therapeutic and medically unnecessary intervention." - College of Physicians and Surgeons of British Columbia. Infant Male Circumcision. Jun 2004.

[Modok]

You must also ride an ass to work to complete the picture of it would also help to scacrifice some heifers and lambs.

[fwdude]

Could the United States be composed primarily of the descendents of the ten lost tribes of Israel?

Come on... Gene Scott has passed on. Are you going to assume his mantle?

[DouglasKC]

Could the United States be composed primarily of the descendents of the ten lost tribes of Israel?
Come on... Gene Scott has passed on. Are you going to assume his mantle?

Never heard of him. But I find it extremely interesting that a custom virtually the whole world ignores is so common place in the United States.

[DesScorp]

And you posted this new-age pap...why?

[Honestfreedom]

Either that or they are failed urologists trying to drum up some business. Yes I see your point, sort of like the types who bleed for the Palestinians but don't care about any other third world people. The obsession people have with Jews is one of the few things that gives me religious faith. It is too irrational to explain otherwise, an obsession with a group of people who make up 1/4% of the world population and the majority of whom don't care about their own religion or people.

[Publius Valerius]

Because that's part of being a parent. Sometimes you make decisions for your kids.

[fwdude]

I agree, very interesting. I've read that the practice is really only relatively recent in the United States - during and right after WW II was the onset of the widespread popularity of the practice. GI's would be circumcised for hygienic reasons (infrequent bathing in the field, etc.) and that when they came home, they wanted their children to mirror them in every way. Can't remember the source of this - it was over 10 years ago that I read it.

My reference was to Gene Scott, a televangelist, who was an unabashed teacher of British-Israelism. The only one I've heard with this theology. Very entertaining in a cocky sort of way. He passed away within the last few years. Sorry, your language sounded a lot like his teaching.

[WorkingClassFilth]

You can feel good about being right, but it doesn't make it so. You are most definitely not a conservative except in some narrow sense of being a arcane zealot.

It seems to me thaat your collection of beliefs are your own and, I believe, wildly inconsistent. For instance, Christ reaffirms the validity of the old testament numerous times as the very basis on which grace is predicated. That Jews reject Christ as the Messiah does not undo thousands of years of their traditions and the American freedom to practice them for your intellectual or theological pleasure. All Bible flogging theology aside, circumcision has nothing whatsoever to do with the sanctity of life anymore than, oh say, ear piercing or tattoos and, besides, I suspect you'll find the Catholic church is silent on circumcision.

All in all, your political language and your religious ideals are entwined and confused and the outgrowth of your fervent idealism tends (not a little) towards authoritarianism. Make a case for our national freedoms and liberty being threatened by circumcision and you might gain some respect. In any event, you should at least consider changing your screen name.

[DouglasKC]

I agree, very interesting. I've read that the practice is really only relatively recent in the United States - during and right after WW II was the onset of the widespread popularity of the practice. GI's would be circumcised for hygienic reasons (infrequent bathing in the field, etc.) and that when they came home, they wanted their children to mirror them in every way. Can't remember the source of this - it was over 10 years ago that I read it.

If true then it's also interesting that Israel as a modern nation was formed in 1948...right after WWII. Doesn't take much to imagine that God might have revealed all of Israel's tribal descendents at about the same time.

My reference was to Gene Scott, a televangelist, who was an unabashed teacher of British-Israelism.

I've studied British-Israelism quite a bit and agree with the basic concept. It was a pretty common notion in early America that many religious settlers considered it (America) the "new" Israel and the notion of manifest destiny later was embraced by many.

[Giant Conservative]

I can feel good about being right and have it be so! How do ya like them apples?

And besides, people are restricted by law from doing harm unto others... indeed, preventing people from doing harm to others is the primary rational basis for having laws.

If someone's religion told them it was O.K. to strap a bomb to their kid's chest and send them into a restauraunt as a suicide bomber, no references to religious freedom would preclude anyone on FreeRepublic from agreeing that the law should step in and prevent that, because of the harm it causes.

So, the real question is, is circumcision a harm? I would say yes, and that therefore it should be precluded by law: let's say at national level. If I am right, and I am, then seeking for circumcision to be banned is quite righteous even as seeking abortion to be banned is quite righteous, for both pursuits follow the same reasoning: that harm to innocents is wrong and must be stopped.

And yes, it is a sanctity of life issue: its the right for innocent human life to prosper without an archaic blood ritual being perpetuated on them.

And really, "arcane" describes the position of those who defend such a weird practice as circumcision on the basis of some guy claiming he heard voices telling him to cut a circle of blood in his son's genitalia.

[WorkingClassFilth]

"...the real question is, is circumcision a harm? I would say yes, and that therefore it should be precluded by law: let's say at national level. If I am right, and I am, then seeking for circumcision to be banned is quite righteous even as seeking abortion to be banned is quite righteous, for both pursuits follow the same reasoning: that harm to innocents is wrong and must be stopped. And yes, it is a sanctity of life issue: its the right for innocent human life to prosper without an archaic blood ritual being perpetuated on them.

Oh, I better get on board since you've decreed it so. Honestly, why don't you admit that you've got a wild hair and you really want to force everyone to do what you wish. Haven't you read the hundreds of posts here in favor of circumcision? Are ye deaf?

Frankly, I don't care about it one way or another. What I do care about is sanctimonious zealots trying to impose their personal kookery on all. You, friend, fit that description even more perfectly now than with your initial post. Rant on, you only alienate more people with your rigid and hysterical pseudo-religious insights.

[buckeyemd]

Sigh. . .I can't believe I'm perpetuating this thread, but for anyone who would like to know the AAP's true position on circumcision (in contrast to the ridiculous statements in the article that initiated this discussion), here is the link to their most recent evidence-based policy statement on the subject:

http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;103/3/686

[luckystarmom]

My son is not circumcised. However, the practice is relatively safe. If people want to have their sons circumcised, they should be allowed to. It's their choice.

I feel the same way about any body piercings or tatoos or plastic surgery. They all have risks involved, but if people want to do these things, they should be allowed to do it.

[Armed Civilian]

I never said I was Jewish or that following the law offers salvation. I was saying that the dietary and health laws that God gave to Israel though done to show that they were seperate them from the people of other nations, are also beneficial for us today. I do not sacrifice heifers and lambs, I do think they taste good though, especially with sonny's BBQ sauce.