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Romney to Sign Mandatory Health Bill
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| April 4, 2006
| NewsMax Staff
Posted on 04/05/2006 7:05:04 AM PDT by CSM
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To: Between the Lines
Yeah, I love the play or pay provision. They all but admit they have no way to pay for this crap unless they inflict brigandage upon the middle class taxpayer.
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posted on
04/06/2006 6:02:51 AM PDT
by
.cnI redruM
(Watching the Left turn on Senator McCain amuses me somehow....)
To: massgopguy
I am so glad I don't live up there any more. I wish my parents would escape...
322
posted on
04/06/2006 6:08:27 AM PDT
by
theDentist
(Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
To: pleikumud
Think it through before getting to upset. Right now, we have socialized medicine whether you like it or not. Many individuals and families do not have insurance (even though they could afford it) and use Emergency Room services as their primary care. The hospitals are required to treat these people by a combination of law and for tort mitigation. Who do you think pays for these services??? You and I do! The medical facilities charge higher prices for medical services to make up for those who don't pay. This results in higher premiums and higher co-pays.
As for MD businesses, they support this. The charge of $295 per employee is not a lot, it is less than 3% of minimum wage employee salaries.
The cost of health care is a major problem facing this country. This is one of the more reasonable approaches that I have seen and it is a hell of alot better than the gov't taking over health care altogether.
To: colorcountry
We do not have the fattest people in the world. This distinction is held by the country of Brazil! Remember 25 years ago when famine was the largest health threat to the worlds people and now the largest problem (literally and figuratively) is obesity! My how the times have changed.
To: WOSG
When one gets sick and can't pay or refuses to, they are in fact a liability to society. A doctor on these threads chimed in saying that in the past 2% of medical bills were left unpaid by deadbeats. He wrote that it is 20% today. That is a liability that needs to be covered by me and you, assuming you have insurance, because it is unlikely that you have the money to pay for some biker who needs his head repaired because he neither has the sense to wear a helmet and buy insurance to protect society from his irresponsibility.
I really think that there are many so-called conservatives on this thread who think like GWB does with the federal budget. He is irresponsible as I think many are with other peoples money and the consequences of wishful thinking. It is not right to make someone else pay for ones care and it is not right to make a future generation pay for ones consumption, as GWB, through his very large budget deficits, has.
To: al_again
We do not have the fattest people in the world. I believe I said we have the fattest POOR people. I meant fattest people in poverty. I've also heard it said that in the USA, the majority of people listed in 'poverty' have a car, TV, AND are fat. I'm certain they get far better health care also than the corresponding poverty members in other countries.
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posted on
04/06/2006 7:29:04 AM PDT
by
colorcountry
(You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body.....CS Lewis)
To: JRochelle
Show me where I called you a bigot, in a declarative sentence, like, you are a .....
Or, did I write and point out your lack of substance (facts directly associated with Mitt, not a broad-brush of LDS and the people who share that faith tradition) with respect to your unreasonable intolerance for Mitt and LDS and then write that it is an indication of a bigoted person or a bigoted view?
Tell me which is true and prove it.
To: al_again
"we have socialized medicine whether you like it or not"
A significant part is still private, but too much is already socialized. Having the federal gov't or a state gov't dictate that people buy medical insurance is contrary to the principles of the U.S. Constitution. (So is Social Security, etc.)
The Massachusetts plan will collapse under the weight of people who want something for nothing, then the liberal lunatics will say the Federal gov't should rescue it. The Massachusetts plan is a step toward more socialized medicine. There will never be enough taxpayers to pay for all the things, including medical care, that people think they are entitled to. How about free housing, free food, free education, free retirement, so everyone can be equal like the peasants on Stalin's collective farms? - Completely equal slaves to the state.
To: Final Authority
Well I'm not going to go back and try to find where we tangled before.
I just know that you have thrown the word bigot at me. I don't care if it was in a question or referring to a view. If one has a bigoted view, is one not a bigot?
Another point, you defend Mitt, no matter what he does, I believe based on your shared religion. You are free to do so although it tends to invalidate your argument, since its shaded by your religious beliefs.
To: CSM
Don't like the Romneys, never did.
BUT, I have mixed feelings on this bill.
The way ROmney explained it, the state is ALREADY paying this amount of money out for medical coverage for these people. The difference here is that the state will now be paying for medical insurance coverage instead and getting a better bang for the taxpayer buck in doing so.
As for mandating health coverage by employers - I don't know about that. But at least it will discourage employers of illegal aliens there. They don't want to provide medical coverage for their illegals and want to pass the social cost of that on to the taxpayers.
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posted on
04/06/2006 7:54:01 AM PDT
by
ZULU
(Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
To: pleikumud
How is the state gov't doing this against the principles of the constitution?
To: pleikumud
As to your other points, I don't know where to begin. I'll just stick to the health care aspect as otherwise I could be typing for hours.
My guess (and it is only a guess) is that you are provided your health care through a company. In the last year I started my own business and the health care aspect of this has been a nightmare. I ended up getting an HSA plan with a 5k deductible. When we go to the doctor for anything several things happen:
1) The services are way overpriced. I cannot believe what I am charged for simple visits. People under standard insurance never really appreciate the costs as they typically only pay 15 or 25 dollar co-pays.
2) My insurance company denies all claims regardless of merit. The denial is just to keep my yearly claims under 5k so they don't need to pay anything. It is a real hassle to dispute and I don't (which is exactly what they count on)
My costs for health care are going to be over 11k per year (premiums, dr visits, drugs). This is for normal care. How is an unskilled, uneducated person supposed to
1) pay these types of costs?
2) navigate the impossible bureaucracy that is health care today?
To: elfman2
The worst part for me is the forcing of everyone to have health insurance. They will use the law to eliminate the choices some people would prefer.
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posted on
04/06/2006 8:59:16 AM PDT
by
CSM
(Liberalism is a disease. FreeRepublic is the antidote. - Mindbender26, 3/29/2006)
To: Final Authority
If "everyone will need it" then it's no longer INSURANCE (look it up).
To: Final Authority
"The Massachusetts plan subsidizes personal responsibility."
This is about the third time you made this statement. For clarification can you explain to me how government provided health insurance subsidizes personal responsibility? If the individual does not earn something, they don't take responsibility for it. Instead they abuse it.
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posted on
04/06/2006 9:17:15 AM PDT
by
CSM
(Liberalism is a disease. FreeRepublic is the antidote. - Mindbender26, 3/29/2006)
To: CSM
...and those already insured will see a modest drop in their premiums. More likely, their premiums will go up.
To: theDentist
My 15 year old daughter has been saying for a few years now how she intends to move out of MA after college.
337
posted on
04/06/2006 9:46:55 AM PDT
by
massgopguy
(massgopguy)
To: massgopguy
When will the state just implement a Witholding Tax for Compulsory Health Insurance? How about a tax on my healthcare witholdings?
338
posted on
04/06/2006 9:49:02 AM PDT
by
massgopguy
(massgopguy)
To: VanDeKoik
"Yeah, this guy is presidential timber all right."
That's what the logger yells just before it hits the forest floor.
Since he's wortless timber, grind him up for paper pulp.
To: CSM
If you think health care is expensive now, just wait until it's "free"- PJ O'Rourke
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posted on
04/06/2006 9:51:56 AM PDT
by
hosepipe
(CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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