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To: Hermann the Cherusker
"Exaggeration of truisms hardly seems a form of hatred."

There is a pattern to these things that one learns to recognize as they couch their thought in terms they think will sound acceptable.

Basically what they are saying is support of Israel has cause the same people we helped fight the Soviets to liberate Afghanistan to justly turn their wrath on us... and they did make it sound nice but hell, they teach at Harvard, they ought to be able to make it sound nice.

My gut feeling is that these guys are only a step or two from trotting out the Rothchilds, the CFR and the Illuminati.

I might add that Alouette and Sjackson have criticized me repeatedly (as have some of my real time friends) for not being understanding enough of Israel's situation with regard for the pccupied territories - I am not exactly an apologist for our Israeli friends - but I can recognize antisemitism.
23 posted on 04/05/2006 8:31:06 AM PDT by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: gondramB
Basically what they are saying is support of Israel has cause the same people we helped fight the Soviets to liberate Afghanistan to justly turn their wrath on us.

Well, the people we gave the most money to in the fight agaisnt the Soviets were known back then to be extremely anti-western and anti-Israel. This was pretty well publicized back at the time, such that I, as a middle-schooler and high-schooler in the late 1980's, was well aware of the big mistake being made.

As to their "justly" turning their wrath on us, that result was predicted by the same people noting we were giving way too much money to anti-western groups.

My gut feeling is that these guys are only a step or two from trotting out the Rothchilds, the CFR and the Illuminati.

Ever heard of Carrol Quigley?

I might add that Alouette and Sjackson have criticized me repeatedly (as have some of my real time friends) for not being understanding enough of Israel's situation with regard for the pccupied territories - I am not exactly an apologist for our Israeli friends - but I can recognize antisemitism.

Frankly, I am not understanding at all. Realisticially, Israel either needs to adopt the Kahane solution of total expulsion (which I would view as quite immoral), or else to pull out and fence the Palestinians off. Continued grinding occupation is immoral and unjust. And like most violent and oppressive occupations in the past (Germany in Yugoslavia and Russia, France in Algeria, the British Settlers in Rhodesia, the Russians in Afghanistan, the Cubans in Angola, etc.), especially those attached to colonialist undertakings like the settlements, it has provoked a low-level guerilla war that needs only the backing of an outside power to turn into a conflagaration, and which needlessly provokes outrage among the Muslims due to their "Noble Arab Land" concepts of themselves and their countries. Israel will be far better off by simply drawing its own sensible boundaries (the current proposal is far from sensible, since it leaves Israel too narrow near Natanya), granting citizenship to those inside it, putting up a security perimeter, and immediately pulling out of the rest, leaving the remaining Palestinians to sort out their own problems. Perhaps at some point in the future, they will want to live peacefully with Israel. At the time, the fence might be opened up.

From my perspective as a Christian westerner, I am disappointed that Israel will most likely not unilaterally annex Bethlehem, but unfortunately, Israel has alienated the Christian Palestinians and made them allies of the Muslims, which seems to me, incredible, given the great advantages a "divide and conquer" strategy would have had.

31 posted on 04/05/2006 9:57:34 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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