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To: Wombat101

There is a whole lot of America that doesn't have rump rover diversity day. A whole lot of America that hasn't resigned itself to Rainbow Day. It is unfortunate that you live in the areas controlled by deviants. But then again, I believe that sodomite political power has grown because they are the maggots on the corpses of what used to be family friendly cities. As families bailed they flowed in and took over.

You have learnt to accept cultural defeatism. We here in the clean, moral, rest of the country, the areas where it is safe to raise families, don't.

And as for Washington he had to balance the "people's army" types like Samuel Adams with the soldier of fortune types like Arnold, Lee, Lafayette, von Steuben, Gates, and Collins (?). While the soldier of fortune types had skills the rebels needed to learn they were often ambitious intriguers. Adams certainly had a point because an 18th century army was a uniformed maximum security prison where brutality constituted discipline.

You criticize Washington because he wasn't Frederick the Great. That shows your failure to understand the kind of war Washington was fighting. The British lost the Revolutionary War because no matter how many battlefield victories they won, they did not have Tories to occupy and pacify the region. They could not hold Philadelphia because they could not secure land communication to New York. They couldn't even sortie out of New York to friggin Bergen County for firewood. The French in Indochina could either spread out to pacify real estate OR concentrate to engage the Viet Minh regular divisions. They couldn't do both. The British had the same problem. So for Washington it was about playing for time. Rolling with the punches. Staying alive. Not going for a Rossbach in New York State.


135 posted on 04/06/2006 7:57:55 AM PDT by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham

"There is a whole lot of America that doesn't have rump rover diversity day. A whole lot of America that hasn't resigned itself to Rainbow Day. It is unfortunate that you live in the areas controlled by deviants. But then again, I believe that sodomite political power has grown because they are the maggots on the corpses of what used to be family friendly cities. As families bailed they flowed in and took over."

Wow! I'm floored by just how much that mirrors exactly what was said by many a great Calvinist pamphleteer, circa 1630-50. It must really be inconvenient sometimes to be such a paragon of virtue and still have to suffer us poor sinners who will not be saved at the time of Rapture. Perhaps if your nose was not stuck so far up in the air, you might take the time to smell the roses.

The people of New York City elected Rudy Giuliani for four reasons: to reign in rampant crime, to lower taxes, to make city government more responsive and effective, to cut the City budget and restore some fiscal sanity. Last time I looked, these were all republican (and conservative) bullet points. These issues overrode considerations of social issues because it's really hard to concentrate seriously on matters of abortion or whether or not you should be able to own Napalm when you can have your skull bashed in on the subway on the way home from work.

The fact is that Giuliani did all he set out to do. He did it so well he was re-elected. And you'd better believe the people of this City were eternally grateful that Rudy was in charge on 9/11 and not Al Sharpton or another Dinkins-type dunderhead. For all he did to resurrect a great city, he is revered around here, and we don't care if he wore a skirt once: we can walk the streets at night.

As for your remarks about "family friendly" cities, New York is considerably safer than most cities a quarter of it's size. And if your intent is to make an argument that Mid-Western (Fly-over, I think the other side calls them) cities, grounded in "American values", are somehow morally superior to New York, I remind you that the Crystal Meth problems those cities are dealing with now mirror the same problems New York had at the height of the Cocaine crisis in the 80's.

"You have learnt to accept cultural defeatism. We here in the clean, moral, rest of the country, the areas where it is safe to raise families, don't."

I have not learned to accept "cultural defeatism". To make such a an assinine statement, you have to believe that there is an indigenous American culture based upon the contributions of one group of people; and that would probably be white Christian males, perferably rabildy Presbyterian and Protestant/Evangelical, and native English speakers. Because that's the "culture" you really seem to be talking about when you make that kind of statement. Your narrow frame of mind shows, embarrassingly for you.

It's really insulting to someone like me, the descendant of Italian immigrants (Sicilian and Catholic, no less!), who all bled for their country. You make it sound as if their contributions to the "culture" do not count. There is no "natural" or "indigenous" American culture; we're an amalgam of peoples and customs, who simply agree on how a system of law and the apparatus of government voluntarily (it's called a Constitution). Learn what "culture" means before you use it so casually and incorrectly.

It must really be hard work to be this kind of self-righteous jerk, huh?

As far as Washington and Frederick the Great, etc,. your view is EXTREMELY flawed, because, whether you know it or not,it is tempered by Clauswitzian conventional wisdom that has been proven wrong time and again. The British did not "lose" the American Revolution as much as we managed to stay in the field long enbough for the French to distract them. It was ultimately the chance to take India from the French thatled to the Treaty of Paris, not victory at Yorktown. Without simultaneous wars elsewhere to contend with, the British would have crushed Washington and his band like bugs.

Washington was a wonderful symbol, but a ROTTEN commander.

Americans were used by the French, Spainiards and Dutch to achieve their own ends. We're just extremely fortunate that France or Spain didn't step into the vacuum created when the British left, because they easily could have. Why, had that happened we wouldn't be debating the merits of a candidate based upon his positions on certain issues: abortion would be a foregone conclusion, no one would own a gun, the government could arbitrairly do whatever it wanted to when it wanted to. This is how things are in France and Spain RIGHT NOW, and they will only get worse thanks to the EU, but that's another discussion entirely.


139 posted on 04/06/2006 8:30:33 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Sam the Sham
The British lost the Revolutionary War because no matter how many battlefield victories they won, they did not have Tories to occupy and pacify the region.

Again, every credible estimate I've seen indicates that Tories made up a quarter to a third of the population (and a similar percentage just wanted the whole damn thing to go away). The rebels were a minority.

165 posted on 04/12/2006 5:34:52 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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