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To: FatherofFive

You've moved back from the Potatoe Famine, to Cromwell now?

What happened then, happened then. What happens now is about people who have lived in their homes for generations and who CANNOT be held respobsible for their Ancestors any more than you or I.

How about I tell you to get the heck out of America or forfeit all your rights of democratic input because your ancestors treated the native americans roughly to build the current status quo. On that basis what legitimacy does the US government have? After all it just pulled in immigrants from everywhere, ethnically cleansed the native American lands through a combination of unintentional spread of disease and intentional land grabs and forced relocation. Why don't you get the heck out of America and make the Natives free.

If that argument sounds stupid to you, that is exactly what you seem to be arguing re Ulstermen. (though you are now going even further back in history).

GET THE NORMANS OUT OF BRITAIN. MAKE THE SAXONS FREE!


171 posted on 04/08/2006 1:05:14 AM PDT by Brit_Guy
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To: Brit_Guy
History is history.

I was simply pointing out that your example of India did not quite match Ireland.

The challenge is when two groups of people claim the same land. The Jews clearly lived in what is now Israel many years ago. They want it back. The Brits living in Ulster have indeed been living there for hundreds of years. But please don’t deny history and say that England did not occupy Irish land and drive out the Irish, confiscate lands and pass repressive laws.

Any Indian in the US can own land, become a citizen, vote or continue to live on a reservation. Or open a casino. Or live the life of an alcoholic. Far more freedoms than the Irish Catholics in Ulster, that led to the development of the modern IRA.

I don’t support the modern IRA. I don’t propose that anyone in the northern provinces have any land or property taken from them. When I say I want the Brits out of Ireland, I mean the government. Ireland should be Ireland. I do believe this will happen over time. The birth rates of the Irish and Catholics will overtake that of the Brits and the protestants. (Although the Irish economy of Ireland is actually attracting labor from the North, this may slow the birth rates.) I believe reunification will happen. Probably not in my lifetime.

My original post that started this string was my response to a statement that the Brits killed fewer Irish than the IRA. I took a longer term view to the arithmetic.

172 posted on 04/08/2006 10:12:13 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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