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Jaruzelski charged with ‘communist crimes’
Radio Polonia ^ | 03.04.06 | Slawek Szefs

Posted on 04/04/2006 11:07:41 AM PDT by lizol

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1 posted on 04/04/2006 11:07:46 AM PDT by lizol
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2 posted on 04/04/2006 11:08:38 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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outside Soviet intervention = proven by historic records to be highly improbable

I'm not sure this is the case but am willing to be enlightened by anyone who knows more about it. I seem to recall that the chances of a Soviet and Warsaw Pact move into Poland to dismantle Solidarity if the Poles themselves didn't do it was at the time (1981) seen as probable.

3 posted on 04/04/2006 11:18:17 AM PDT by katana
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To: lizol

My first impulse is to hang folks like this, after a fair trial, of course.

But then I think, if the average dictator sees that the hangman's noose awaits him once lets go of his hold on power, perhaps he might tighten his grip all the more.


4 posted on 04/04/2006 11:19:46 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: lizol
From the article:
"...General Jaruzelski has responded to the latest attempt at bringing him to account as tantamount to passing moral judgment on all those Poles who considered martial law a justified move to save Poland from outside Soviet intervention and bloodshed from an internal war."


Do you think that this will be a winning defense?

Just curious... does the Polish government provide an attorney for General Jaruzelski or is he responsible for retaining his own legal counsel?

5 posted on 04/04/2006 11:22:15 AM PDT by bd476
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Just as probable as the invasion of Hungary or Czechoslovakia.


6 posted on 04/04/2006 11:22:29 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (North American distributor for Mohammed Urinals. Franchises available.)
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To: lizol

Dzieki


7 posted on 04/04/2006 11:25:37 AM PDT by anonymoussierra (Kiedys, ktos cos zrozumie.)
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To: lizol

He should live the rest of his life in jail.


8 posted on 04/04/2006 11:30:36 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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Here that commie rat bastard is, facing holiness, and sweating bullets.

9 posted on 04/04/2006 11:31:04 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: TexasRepublic

1956 1968


10 posted on 04/04/2006 11:39:02 AM PDT by anonymoussierra (Kiedys, ktos cos zrozumie.)
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He is broken man now


11 posted on 04/04/2006 11:40:21 AM PDT by anonymoussierra (Kiedys, ktos cos zrozumie.)
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To: katana; lizol
I'm not sure this is the case but am willing to be enlightened by anyone who knows more about it. I seem to recall that the chances of a Soviet and Warsaw Pact move into Poland to dismantle Solidarity if the Poles themselves didn't do it was at the time (1981) seen as probable.

That was my impression too, during those times. It seemed as if Poland was confronted with two choices--total domination by the Soviets, and harsh but less harsh domination by this general. "Democracy" for Poland was NOT an option circa 1979-1982, and if this general did not slightly crack down on democratic forces during that time, then the Soviets would have, with much roughter consequences.

Democracy was inevitable for Poland, but by taking the lesser of the two evils temporarily, democracy came without bloodshed, without violence.

As much as I dearly appreciate the friendship of all the Poles on the ping list, I am sure they will wish to lynch me for proposing that the bust of this general be put on their coinage, currency, and postage stamps, because even though he was not a "nice guy," he made democracy possible.

12 posted on 04/04/2006 12:05:18 PM PDT by franksolich (the Head Warden "Skinner"'s alter ego)
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Jaruzelski was told by the Soviets in the middle of '81, that the Soviets would not invade, even if Solidarity achieved power in Poland. But Jaruzelski hid that from the military so they could do his bidding in the belief that it would save Poland from Soviet invasion. He saved Poland from nothing, he is a traitor.


13 posted on 04/04/2006 12:15:57 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: TexasRepublic
Just as probable as the invasion of Hungary or Czechoslovakia.

In 1980, yes invasion was possible. By 1981, due to Reagan being in the White House and the Soviets problems in Afghanistan, things changed considerably. By then, there was no threat of Soviet invasion.

14 posted on 04/04/2006 12:17:25 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: franksolich
""Democracy" for Poland was NOT an option circa 1979-1982, "

Democracy was not an option in late 40s, 50s, 60s or early 70s, but in early 80s Soviet Union was already falling down.
16 posted on 04/04/2006 12:25:30 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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By 1981 Brezhnev was virtually incapacitated, and dead by 1982. In his earlier days, he would have sent in the tanks, regardless of cost.


17 posted on 04/04/2006 12:26:39 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (North American distributor for Mohammed Urinals. Franchises available.)
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"Jaruzelski was told by the Soviets in the middle of '81, that the Soviets would not invade, even if Solidarity achieved power in Poland."

Exactly. He should have got the Ceaucescu treatment in 89, Slobo and Saddam showed that now It will be very difficult.
18 posted on 04/04/2006 12:29:45 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: bd476

I think he's wealthy enough to afford defence expences on his own.


20 posted on 04/04/2006 2:40:36 PM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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