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Tattoos, visible piercings could affect appearance-related job opportunities
UTC Echo ^ | 3/30/06 | Joey Von Haeger

Posted on 04/03/2006 8:42:51 PM PDT by presidio9

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To: durasell
I'm missing something here. Most people get tats to show they're a rebel and a free spirit, yada yada...Then when someone judges them as being a rebel and free spirit, say the accounting firm where they've applied for a job, they get upset?

That's my complaint. It used to be somebody got large tattoos to be different and rebellious. Now, every Tom, Dick and Harry has one so it's become more about CONFORMING than being different or rebellious.

All they do now is just make people look like lemmings.

261 posted on 04/05/2006 10:17:08 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: Tall_Texan

No problem. "Wife-beater" is slang for a sleeveless undershirt, so-named because on cops, when there is a domestic disturbance call, the guy usually is wearing a sleeveless undershirt.
My guy normally doesn't wear a wife-beater, but he does wear muscle shirts when he works out.
He looks perfectly normal usually. Even helped me chaperone one of my son's field trips.


262 posted on 04/05/2006 10:20:02 PM PDT by chae (R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero He lied, he cheated, he stole my heart)
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To: ntnychik
"wife beater" = sleeveless undershirt

Thanks. Horrible name for them. I just call them "sleeveless undershirts".

263 posted on 04/05/2006 10:30:15 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: Tall_Texan

There's always been a tribal aspect to tattoos. Punk rockers get one style, military another, stoners yet another, etc. etc


264 posted on 04/06/2006 4:50:33 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

Which makes my point. They're not trying to be individual and different. They are trying to CONFORM even if not conforming with the mainstream of society.


265 posted on 04/06/2006 10:00:14 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Why are you trying so desperately to change how I view things? (You are wasting your time if that is your objective, I have even gone so far as to give you biblical references, not to show off my paltry knowledge of scripture, but to show one source of my beliefs.)

Why are you so determined to be "right?"

...particularly when you admit your knowledge (dare I say, understanding) of Scripture is "paltry?"

If your knowlege of Scripture is paltry, yet you are grandfatherly, then you have either wasted many years, or you are a relatively new student of the Bible.

If you are a new student of the Bible, then all your years of experience count for nothing in "rightly dividing the Word."

If you have "wasted" many years, what gives you your confidence that you are suddenly imbued with wisdom?

As for why I am pursuing this thread with you, call it a suspicion that you may, or may not be the type of believer that is satisfied with thinking the prohibition against taking the Lord's Name in vain has something to do with cussing.

266 posted on 04/08/2006 4:21:00 AM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: papertyger
I have no problem with being right. What works for me, works for me. You apparently are one of those who would argue incessantly for the sake of argument. Another salient difference.

So, go pee in someone else's sandbox, willya?

267 posted on 04/08/2006 5:13:08 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
So, go pee in someone else's sandbox, willya?

Sounds like kitty wants to eat the fish, but doesn't want to get her feet wet.

268 posted on 04/08/2006 5:52:35 AM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: I still care

I remember years ago Dr. Laura had a girl on her show who couldn't get a job because of her outlandish appearance. "She was crying tears of rage and frustration, and viewed it as discrimination.

Dr. Laura read her the riot act - you can dress however you want, but people are going to judge you by how you look. The girl just didn't get it."



I remember that Dr. Laura show. The girl argued that people shouldn't judge her by her appearance, but should try to get to know her first. Dr. Laura told her that her appearance revealed who she was. When Dr. Laura is good she is really, really good.


269 posted on 04/08/2006 6:33:07 AM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("In technical terminology, he's a loon")
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To: papertyger
The fun thing about this, is that I do not need to see you to put you in one of my little classifications. Remember those? there are three. You fit (appropriately) in number 2.

Now, have a nice day.

270 posted on 04/08/2006 6:34:47 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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271 posted on 04/08/2006 6:41:53 AM PDT by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Are you really so self-absorbed as to think your pathetic little jibe has any more impact than a preschooler calling me a "dumbhead?"

I ask you if you think making a permanent change to ones appearance says anything about the one making the change. You say no more than any other statement made by modest clothing. Then you act offended because I don't give you credit for knowing the difference between a tattoo and clothing.

And you don't have a problem with being "right?"

You're like a rhetorical "bull in a china shop." Every reply you make to extricate yourself from one contradiction causes three more.

272 posted on 04/08/2006 7:11:01 AM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: toomanygrasshoppers
"Dr. Laura read her the riot act - you can dress however you want, but people are going to judge you by how you look. The girl just didn't get it."

The book of Proverbs describes three classes of people lacking wisdom: scorners, fools, and the simple. The one trait they all seem to have in common is a refusal to accept correction.

273 posted on 04/08/2006 7:23:25 AM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: papertyger

There is another thing that Dr. Laura said that has really stuck with me. A caller once said "Who am I to judge another person?". Dr. Laura told her that we SHOULD judge other people and that God would expect us to do so. This is the problem with being politically correct. Everyone has been so afraid to speak their mind and to judge anyone else. And we see where that has lead us. We have been lead to believe that "tolerance" is a Christian virtue. Tolerance to some extent is fine, but you have to know where to draw the line.


274 posted on 04/08/2006 7:44:57 AM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("In technical terminology, he's a loon")
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To: Chena
I also know some folks who have tattoos and piercings that could put those "presentable" employees to shame both in their professional conduct AND their personal integrity.

And what are the percentages on that, eh? The race isn't always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong... but that's the way to bet. And tattoos and piercings tend to occur on lower-class and/or blue-collar folks (sorry, just the statistical facts). So if you are hiring for a white-collar job (or one where qualities that are unlikely in the lower-class mentality are necessary), you cut your time (and, most importantly your COSTS) if you don't waste effort in the hiring process on people who have visible signals that they probably don't have the right mentality or skill base. Sure, you miss the occasional diamond-in-the-rough, but that's made up for by the cost savings of not wasting your time on all of the people who look like losers... and actually are. It's like wearing a T-shirt to an interview that reads "F#$@ you, I'll do what I want!" Maybe the guy would be a great employee... but I'll not waste my time finding out...

275 posted on 04/08/2006 8:34:39 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwæt! Lãr biþ mæst hord, soþlïce!)
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To: papertyger
I ask you if you think making a permanent change to ones appearance says anything about the one making the change?

Sure it does. It says you look different now.

I ask you if you think that change in appearance makes any change to the person within?

Does that boob job make a woman a better person? Does that rhinoplasty make one a saint? How about those hair transplants, does that make one young and virile as a 20 year old? Certainly these are examples of permanent changes in a person's appearance.

Beneath it all, there is still the same person, for good or bad.

Apparently your fixation is more with the wrapper than the contents. How superficial.

276 posted on 04/08/2006 8:54:14 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: toomanygrasshoppers
A caller once said "Who am I to judge another person?"

My response is always "who are you to say I can't?"

277 posted on 04/08/2006 9:08:46 AM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I ask you if you think that change in appearance makes any change to the person within?

This is a "straw man." You aren't asking if changing the appearance changes the person within. You've been campaigning that people can't draw conclusions about someone who *does* change their appearance: a very distinct difference!

I'm convinced at this point you are willfully misidentifying what's being said to you in order to save face.

No one is making the argument that what someone does to their appearance changes who they are inside, the argument is they change their appearance *because* of who they are inside...and you know it.

278 posted on 04/08/2006 9:21:55 AM PDT by papertyger (Our Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have right now.)
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To: Chena
I can understand someone not liking piercings or tattoos. What I cannot understand is someone refusing to do business with someone because of it.

In Japan it might be an indication you are involved with organized crime (Yakuza). Try to get a job in Japan with tattoos...

279 posted on 04/08/2006 9:40:49 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: presidio9

I could understand this demand for tattoos if they looked ood, but I have seen very few that are complimentary. Most look like some child just drew on themselves.


280 posted on 04/08/2006 9:46:24 AM PDT by mel
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