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1 posted on 04/03/2006 5:23:51 PM PDT by Calpernia
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To: Peach
Special thanks to Freeper Peach for pointing out this document to me.

Bump!

2 posted on 04/03/2006 5:24:29 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia; StillProud2BeFree

Thank you so much for making this its own thread, Calpernia!
You're a doll.

Freeper StillProud2BeFree is to be commended for analyzing this document.

Freepers interested in the OKC matter may wish to read this related thread:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1608291/posts?q=1&&page=251#254


4 posted on 04/03/2006 5:26:56 PM PDT by Peach
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To: eyespysomething

Ping to another translation.


5 posted on 04/03/2006 5:27:20 PM PDT by Peach
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One particularly disturbing question discusses rumors of nuclear weapons and Iraq, implying that Iraq was already in possession of nuclear missiles in the summer of 2000. It's interesting to note the repeated references to Iraq even though the document was found in Afghanistan, but isn't surprising given the fact that many of the "mujahideen" were actually men from the Arab countries, including Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. (See page 178):

An Iraqi soldier said," America placed missiles with nuclear heads capability in Kuwait aimed on Russia and that what he saw with his own eyes. When Saddam occupied Kuwait he took these missiles along with its transporters and is still in Iraq. The United States is still looking for these missiles but could not find them because Saddam succeeded in hiding it. Is this claim true, and what do you think of it?


6 posted on 04/03/2006 5:27:35 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

You even did the right keywords -- something I always goof up! LOL


7 posted on 04/03/2006 5:27:46 PM PDT by Peach
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I've always believed that the Oklahoma City bombing had an Islamic connection. Dittos for Flight 800. The Feds denied terrorist attacks whenever possible, but the WTC was impossible to assign to someone else.


8 posted on 04/03/2006 5:27:48 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (I like to make everyone's day a little more surreal)
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To: Calpernia

BTTT


9 posted on 04/03/2006 5:30:51 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (She left suds in the bucket, And the clothes hangin' out on the line)
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So is this related?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1489385/posts?page=2#2

(More at main link)

In July 1977, the head of Pakistan's army, Mohammed Zia-ul-Haq, seized power and declared martial law, and in 1979, he hanged Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the president who had promoted him. In retaliation, Carter cut off U.S. aid to Pakistan. In 1980, Herring went to Islamabad and was so entranced by Zia and his support for the Afghan freedom fighters that on her return to the United States, she encouraged Wilson to go to Pakistan. There he met Zia, learned about the Afghan moujahedeen and became a convert to the cause. Once Reagan replaced Carter, Wilson was able to restore Zia's aid money and added several millions to the CIA's funds for secretly arming the Afghan guerrillas, each dollar of which the Saudi government secretly matched.

Although Wilson romanticized the mountain warriors of Afghanistan, the struggle was never as uneven as it seemed. Pakistan provided the fighters with sanctuary, training and arms and even sent its own officers into Afghanistan as advisors on military operations. Saudi Arabia served as the fighters' banker, providing hundred of millions with no strings attached. Several governments, including those of Egypt, China and Israel, secretly supplied arms. And the insurgency enjoyed the backing of the United States through the CIA.

Wilson's and the CIA's greatest preoccupation was supplying the Afghans with something effective against the Soviets' most feared weapon, the Mi-24 Hind helicopter gunship. The Red Army used it to slaughter innumerable moujahedeen as well as to shoot up Afghan villages. Wilson favored the Oerlikon antiaircraft gun made in Switzerland (it was later charged that he was on the take from the Zurich-based arms manufacturer). Avrakotos opposed it because it was too heavy for guerrillas to move easily, but he could not openly stand in Wilson's way. After months of controversy, the Joint Chiefs of Staff finally dropped their objections to supplying the American Stinger, President Reagan signed off on it, and the "silver bullet" was on its way. The Stinger had never before been used in combat. It proved to be murderous against the Hinds, and Soviet President Mikhail S. Gorbachev decided to cut his losses and get out altogether. In Wilson's postwar tour of Afghanistan, moujahedeen fighters surrounded him and triumphantly fired their missiles for his benefit. They also gave him as a souvenir the stock from the first Stinger to shoot down a Hind gunship.

The CIA "bluebloods" fired Avrakotos in the summer of 1986, and he retired to Rome. Wilson became chairman of the Intelligence Oversight Committee, at which time he wrote to his CIA friends, "Well, gentlemen, the fox is in the hen house. Do whatever you like." After retiring from Congress in 1996, he became a lobbyist for Pakistan under a contract that paid him $30,000 a month. Meanwhile, the United States lost interest in Afghanistan, which descended into a civil war that the Taliban ultimately won. In the autumn of 2001, the United States returned in force after Al Qaeda retaliated against its former weapon supplier by attacking New York and Washington. The president of the United States went around asking, "Why do they hate us?"

Crile knows a lot about these matters and presents them in a dramatic manner. There are, however, one or two items that he appears unaware of or is suppressing. For the CIA legally to carry out a covert action, the president must authorize a document called a finding. Crile repeatedly says that Carter signed such a finding ordering the CIA to provide covert backing to the moujahedeen after the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan on Dec. 24, 1979. The truth of the matter is that Carter signed the finding on July 3, 1979, six months before the Soviet invasion, and he did so on the advice of his national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, in order to try to provoke a Russian incursion. Brzezinski has confirmed this sequence of events in an interview with a French newspaper, and former CIA Director Robert M. Gates says so explicitly in his 1996 memoirs. It may surprise Charlie Wilson to learn that his heroic moujahedeen were manipulated by Washington like so much cannon fodder in order to give the USSR its own Vietnam. The moujahedeen did the job, but as subsequent events have made clear, they may not be grateful to the United States.


10 posted on 04/03/2006 5:31:23 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: StillProud2BeFree

come back and reference my pings on this thread later. I think my Islamic bomb notes may be related but I can't get those up until the kids are asleep.

I would be interested in cross referencing my notes with the file you are in.


12 posted on 04/03/2006 5:33:07 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

This is big news.


16 posted on 04/03/2006 5:36:28 PM PDT by AllmanBrosFan
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To: Calpernia
Congressman demands new OKC bomb probe, sees foreign connection, conspiracy beyond McVeigh, Nichols
23 posted on 04/03/2006 5:46:09 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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I know there is a FReeper who has long been tracking the OKC-mohammedian connection... can't recall her name... wrote a book concerning it, iirc


27 posted on 04/03/2006 5:53:40 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal. this would not be a problem if so many were not under-precise)
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To: Calpernia; StillProud2BeFree

Great job!


28 posted on 04/03/2006 6:01:29 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Calpernia

Wow!


30 posted on 04/03/2006 6:02:44 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Calpernia

ping for later


33 posted on 04/03/2006 6:04:37 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: Calpernia

FYI, the CTC at West Point was founded by Wayne A Downing AFTER he resigned from the Bush Administration. He is an incredible American ( many stories about him ) and he was a GREAT officer in the Army, It will be interesting to see what happens to the CTC and General Downing.


35 posted on 04/03/2006 6:13:58 PM PDT by Yasotay
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bump


37 posted on 04/03/2006 6:20:08 PM PDT by Ca.Native.Southern.Soul (Longing for the Bible Belt)
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Somehow my mind starts to wander and I begin to wonder what was in Sandy Bergers pants.....


41 posted on 04/03/2006 6:27:35 PM PDT by woofie
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BUmp!!!


43 posted on 04/03/2006 6:37:29 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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47 posted on 04/03/2006 6:56:00 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (Join the FR folding team!! http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=36120)
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