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To: Shalom Israel
I can't believe the shallowness of your arguments,....oh wait a minute you're a Losertarian. OK...that that explains it. Garbage truck drivers as part of waste desposal systems can make good money. So that argument is false. You don't need to have massive poverty just so you can have people run the waste collecting.

If they want a stable, thriving economy they need to set the people free, on the one hand, and inculcate a strong self-defense ethic and armed populace, on the other. They're just as unready for freedom as the US is, but it's worth a shot.

NO, Mexico needs to reform itself from within rather than trying to export their problems. Again, Mexico is quasi-socialist just as Canada is but at least Canada takes care of its poor and doesn't have them flooding into U.S. cities.

36 posted on 04/03/2006 1:09:18 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia

China refused to take back thousands of Chinese illegals caught trying to get into the US. Twenty thousand, as a matter of fact.


42 posted on 04/03/2006 1:18:28 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Cyropaedia
I can't believe the shallowness of your arguments,....oh wait a minute you're a Losertarian.

You just said, "You're using a bad argument, so here's an ad hominem." I hope the irony isn't lost on you.

Garbage truck drivers as part of waste desposal systems can make good money. So that argument is false.

The argument is that a wealthy class requires many menial laborers to support them. I expressed it in the vernacular, citing garbage men, but that doesn't mean that the wages of garbage men in particular have any relevance at all. Hopefully, you really did comprehend the point, and you do at least realize that you're offering a red herring.

You don't need to have massive poverty just so you can have people run the waste collecting.

Straw man; nobody is arguing that Mexico needs "massive poverty."

You have offered no proof whatsoever that a significant proportion of Mexico's population is so retarded as to imagine that there's an economic benefit to be had by expelling the least wealthy N% of the population. On what basis do you suppose that Mexico's wealthy are rich and successful, but at the same time so mentally handicapped as to believe such an absurd thing?

Put the shoe on the other foot. Do you imagine that "exporting" the poorest N% of America's residents would accrue benefits to the (100-N)% that remain? Of couse not. If you're not that stupid, why do you suppose that these hypothetical Mexicans are?

...but at least Canada takes care of its poor...

You just said that socialism is a good thing for Canada. Do you also believe it would be a good thing for the US? If not, what magical test distinguishes the countries that benefit from socialism from the countries that don't?

46 posted on 04/03/2006 1:30:54 PM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem.)
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