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The American Conservative ^ | Doug Bandow

Posted on 04/03/2006 11:04:05 AM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan

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To: jpsb

"Newt gave us 94 and you give him the back of your hand? Shame on you.
"

Yes, he did, and I'm proud of him for doing that. However, he made some serious mistakes with his personal life. He's now on wife #3. The first two, he divorced when he found out they were ill.

His affairs while married to the first two are public knowledge.

I don't know about you, but I consider a candidate's personal ethics when I think about them running for high office. That's especially true of the Presidency.

This sordid marriage history on Newt's part is going to alienate a WHOLE LOT of religious conservatives. It alienates me.

You talked about his "cute wife." That "cute wife" is probably his biggest liability, because everytime she is seen, the media will remind everyone that Newt's a cad.

Yes, he's a good conservative, and good for him for that. He's still a cad, and I DO consider personal ethics in candidates.

Surely you can come up with someone without those personal flaws. Even my mother, who has never voted for any Democrat, would vote for anyone other than Newt. She has said as much to me.


101 posted on 04/03/2006 12:32:51 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
"He's still a cad"

His is not running for the office of big daddy, his is running for the office of President of the USA. Personally I don't care who he sleeps with, I don't care if he drinks, smokes or chases skirts. He's knows how to govern as a conservative, he's proven he can do the job far better then the "good husbands/fathers". I care about the country, and Newt can be counted on to do that is best for the country.

But if yall nominate another unknown good husband/father cause he's electable, I can garrentee you he will not be elected. We conservative have had it "compassion" for everyone but US citizens. I don't what a kinder, gentender government I want one that obeys the constitution.

102 posted on 04/03/2006 12:54:26 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

“Government is bigger, spending is higher, and Washington is more powerful.”

... “Bush’s insistence on absolute, unquestioning loyalty, which stifles honest criticism and
creates a cult of personality around him.”

“The administration and its supporters routinely denounce critics as partisans and even traitors.”

...”Bush’s conservative image bears no relation to his actions.”

“Bush, Bartlett believes, is likely to be seen as another Richard Nixon “

Good points, however:
It’s unfortunate to compare Bush to Nexon -- one of the best Presidents this nation ever had.


103 posted on 04/03/2006 12:55:28 PM PDT by siznartuf
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To: siznartuf

Nixon, one of the best? Please...you must be joking..


104 posted on 04/03/2006 12:57:17 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (One of the greatet conservative accomplishments would be the undoing of FDR’s big government.)
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To: jpsb

"His is not running for the office of big daddy, his is running for the office of President of the USA. Personally I don't care who he sleeps with, I don't care if he drinks, smokes or chases skirts."




OK, well, you've defined yourself, then. I want a President who is not only a political leader, but a moral and ethical leader as well. Newt doesn't fit that bill at all.

If a man will lie to his wife, he'll lie to me even quicker. And having affairs is lying. I want a President who honors his vows, OK? If he won't honor his marriage vows, why should I believe he'll honor his oath of office any better.

You may be happy with someone who lies and who can't keep his vows. I won't. But, I do know more about you today than I care to.


105 posted on 04/03/2006 12:58:47 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: jpsb

What part of Newt's infatuation with Futureshock and admiration for FDR is conservative?


106 posted on 04/03/2006 1:00:11 PM PDT by Pelham (Treason: Not just for Democrats anymore)
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To: Pelham; jpsb

"What part of Newt's infatuation with Futureshock and admiration for FDR is conservative?"




It'll be good to hear the answer to that. I doubt we will, though.


107 posted on 04/03/2006 1:04:00 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
I can't really argue with the points made in this article. But instead of engaging in defeatist thinking, I've decided to do something about it:

1. Support Free Republic! There's a freepathon underway and the exchange of ideas that this site provides is really critical to the future of our nation.

2. Give $100 to save America - donate to Tom Tancredo.

3. Vote for Republican party candidates who are conservative, and withhold my vote from Republican party candidates like John McCain and George Bush who want to use the conservative base for non-conservative ends. It does not matter what initial sits besides the name of a non-conservative politician, and I refuse to be part of personal quests for power that betray my ideals in the future.

I hope you will join me.
108 posted on 04/03/2006 1:08:38 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: jpsb
I like Newt and I like Pence and I even like Forbes.

But I'll stick to my prediction....I think it will be a choice between...

Socially Conservative,inarticulate, big spending Allen
vs
Socially liberal,articulate tight fisted Rudy. If I'm right it will be one heck of a flamefest!
109 posted on 04/03/2006 1:09:57 PM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: RHINO369; Conservative Coulter Fan
Ever consider the reason Bush barely won, and Dore lost, and Bush1 lost was because they ran as centerists?

I have said as much myself on other occasions, and I surely want you to be right.

Sadly, though, most of our criticisms of Bush would apply even more to the crowd of pols now positioning themselves for a run. I am so tired of Repubs who either have no principles, or think that the way to reach out to Democrats is to compromise on those principles.

I like Bush as a man, primarily because he does have principles, at least on a personal level. When he speaks and acts from principle, the man shines. Unfortunately, on too many occasions, he tries to split the difference with his enemies, and in some cases his core principles are to the left of mine.

His clumsiness over immigration is an example. His multiple attempts to reach out to Kennedy and company are others.

Still, I know what his core values are, even when I don't like them. Too many of the Repubs running to replace him are to his left, or seem very flexible in their beliefs. Bush uses Rove to tell him how to outfox his enemies. Most of the guys running against him would use their "Rove" to tell them what their principles ought to be.

So, while I've been proud of Bush on some levels, and disappointed on others, I am really worried when I look at the crop of hopefuls out there. They seem more centrist and less principled than he. If you're right, such a stance is probably not electable, and if they are elected, all we've done is elect a Democrat in Repub's clothing.

Some would say thats what we already have, and in some ways they are right. Still, I would take Bush a thousand times if the choice is insane, as in Gore (or maybe McCain) or treasonous (as in, well, you know who). I am so thankful neither of those men will ever get any more power than they have already had. It shocks me still that an insane man would very nearly beat someone who isn't insane, and a man who committed treason would very nearly beat someone who never committed treason and never would. Thats disturbing, you have to admit.

I want a president who believes in the Constitution, and who will defend the country, and I want a man with enough moral fortitude to stand up to the pounding he is sure to take. And I want "bold".

110 posted on 04/03/2006 1:18:23 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

"Most of the guys running against him" should be "most of the guys running to replace him..."


111 posted on 04/03/2006 1:21:13 PM PDT by marron
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

"Nixon, one of the best? Please...you must be joking.."



No, I'm not!

They may both go down as tainted, but:

Even Nixon's enemies usually admit he(Nixon)was good in foreign policy.

He also got us out of a war that he inherited(that President Johnson -- also from 'Texas'-- escalated!)

They may both go down in history as tainted, but I don't think the analogy can be taken too much further.

I think Nixon got a raw deal.


112 posted on 04/03/2006 1:29:06 PM PDT by siznartuf
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Bruce Bartlett has been involved in conservative politics for a quarter century. He authored one of the leading books on supply-side economics, worked in the Reagan administration, and held a position at the National Center for Policy Analysis—until the Dallas-based group fired him, apparently fearful of financial retaliation arising from his sharp criticisms of the administration.

Finished the book "Impostor" that Bartlett wrote about a week ago. Devastating and right on target.

113 posted on 04/03/2006 1:37:52 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP (The Minutemen: Doing the Job Bush Won't Do.)
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To: MineralMan

Have you any idea how many great leaders cheated on thier wifes or were otherwise unfit by your standards?


114 posted on 04/03/2006 1:59:20 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: Pelham

Never read FuteShock, and thers was a great deal to admire in FDR. FDR was a great war time president.


115 posted on 04/03/2006 2:00:38 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
OK. Here we go. Reagan to a supporter saying exactly what you have about Republicans not being conservative enough. Paraphrased: I can't help you if I can't get elected.

Even the editors of National Review admit, if a politician agreed with their suggestions 100% of the time, he'll get about 18% of the vote.

116 posted on 04/03/2006 2:01:13 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2006, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: siznartuf
"I think Nixon got a raw deal. "

Nixon's domestic policies were very liberal.

117 posted on 04/03/2006 2:02:11 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: Jimbaugh

"The base has left the building."

Some because the stench was too much or they got kicked out.


118 posted on 04/03/2006 2:29:11 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (Let's see, how is our government going to screw us today?)
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To: jpsb

"Nixon's domestic policies were very liberal."

Well, in concession: his attempt at price control in the 70's WAS a complete flop -- fiasco might be a better word!

Still, I think his achievements in the arena of foreign policy more than counter balance his mistakes.


119 posted on 04/03/2006 2:43:24 PM PDT by siznartuf
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Blah, blah, blah.


120 posted on 04/03/2006 2:55:27 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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