Posted on 04/02/2006 6:47:06 AM PDT by kellynla
In his 1995 book "The Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy," the late Christopher Lasch argued that America's political and cultural elites had opened up a gap between themselves and ordinary Americans. "Many of them have ceased to think of themselves as Americans in any important sense, implicated in America's destiny for better or worse," he wrote. They are increasingly detached from their fellow citizens and drawn to an international culture, Lasch said, or what we would today call a transnational culture.
Consider the current immigration debate in this light. In the transnational view, patriotism, assimilation and cultural cohesion are obsolete concerns. Borders and the nation-state are on the way out. Transnational flows of populations are inevitable. Workers will move in response to markets, not old-fashioned national policies on immigration. Norms set by internationalists will gradually replace national laws and standards. The world is becoming a single place. Trying to impede this unifying process is folly.
The term "transnationals" specifically refers to those working in and around international organizations and multinational corporations. More broadly, it indicates a cosmopolitan elite with a declining allegiance to the place where they live and work, and a feeling that nationalism and patriotism are part of the past.
To some extent, their worldview cuts across Democratic-Republican and liberal-conservative lines, and reinforces the other concerns that prevent immigration control: the desire for cheap labor and Hispanic votes. Old-line one-worlders and enthusiastic supporters of the United Nations hear the siren call. So do many academics, judges and journalists who attend international conferences and tend to adopt a common consciousness and world outlook.
(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...
One thing I have observed about Rokke is that his opinion is based on fact. You can learn from him indeed.
Okay -- now you're comparing FR "influence" to the typical CFR member's influence? LOL.
You know darn well CFR members are current legislators, bankers, and "power brokers" who as "private citizens" have unlimited access to other government officials and policy makers as often as they wish -- same as the average Freeper does, right?
Yeah Rokke -- we'll move along, nothing to see here....NOT.
'Let me get this straight. You've already provided a link that lists every member or the CFR. You might have visited their website (www.cfr.org) and noticed that everything about the organization including its financial documents, contributers, members, publications etc etc are publicly accessible. Yet you call it a "secret" underground Politburo?!?!'
The CFR website cites ONLY what info they WANT you or I believe. NO SALE here.
Are you claiming they're NOT actually an organization of elites who determine and control American economic, social, political, and military policy? That CFR members' influence and control doesn't extend to "leaders in academia, public service, business, and the media," (according to the CFR 1993 "Annual Report.")?
But by all means believe what you need to believe.
The agenda of the CFR is indeed part and parcel of a New World Order which requires a non-sovereign America.
Just one example: The border(less) American southwest.
See #84
Yes. Ever hear of a Freeper named "Buckhead"? Ever wonder why folks like Rush Limbaugh reference FreeRepublic regularly? Do you realize that the "new media" is making people like Katie Couric and the Today's Show irrelevant? Ever hear of a guy named Doug Murray? Didn't think so. Most people haven't. He's an average member of CFR. One of more than 4000. He's a retired Air Force officer who you apparently believe is part of a highly influential, massive anti-American plot to eliminate US sovereignty. You are delusional.
"You know darn well CFR members are current legislators, bankers, and "power brokers" who as "private citizens" have unlimited access to other government officials and policy makers as often as they wish -- same as the average Freeper does, right?"
I'll tell you what. Grab a copy of Who's Who in America. Pick 4000 names at random. I guarantee you will quickly be able to establish I'll kinds of special links and ties with those names to various public and political figures. Then you can run around and claim "Who's Who" is a secret, New World Order society. You see, when you make something of your life and get invited to join groups of other high achievers, the chances are you are going to be in a position to have access to other high achievers that normal folks don't get. Ever watch Orange County Choppers? Those guys get to meet EVERYONE now. Heck, I'll just bet they're part of some anti-American New World Order plot. The reality is, one reward for high achievement in this country is you get to meet other high achievers who tend to be successful and important. Nothing wrong or sinister about it at all. If you want to meet a lot of member of the CFR, go get a PhD in International Relations. Or even easier, spend a career in the military. I've worked for a lot of the military folks who currently belong to the CFR. Let me tell you, they are a subversive, anti-American lot, to a man.
"The CFR website cites ONLY what info they WANT you or I believe. NO SALE here."
How's that tinfoil hat feeling? Have you heard any recent updates on "chemtrails" and martian rapists lately? I'll tell you what...if you think the public financial disclosure statements published by the CFR are fraudulent, you turn them into the IRS. And give the ACLU a call. For that matter, call all the local papers. You're on to a big story here.
"Are you claiming they're NOT actually an organization of elites who determine and control American economic, social, political, and military policy?"
Most aren't "elite" at all. Most are simply professors or retired diplomats. Some are idiot actors. You print 3 or 4 names of 4000 and claim you've stumbled on the "A" list of world policy makers. Again, grab a copy of Who's Who in America and I'll show you some REAL elites. For that matter, take a look at the Washington D.C. phone book. IT'S A CONSPIRACY DAMMIT!!!
"The agenda of the CFR is indeed part and parcel of a New World Order which requires a non-sovereign America."
Provide some evidence to support that statement and we'll talk. I absolutely challenge you to provide me an official agenda of the CFR that supports that statement. But here's a hint for you...the CFR doesn't endorse any policy. That is one of its policies, but even if it wanted to it couldn't, because its members are so diverse there would be no consensus. But go ahead and look. You might just learn something useful.
“Study of North American Integration and Canada's Role in the Light of New Security Challenges” (I thought the concern was Mexico)
Tuesday, November 27, 2001
(wow, this is recent) Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman.
My name is Stephen Flynn. I am a Senior Fellow with the National Security Studies Program at the Council on Foreign Relations. The Council on Foreign Relations is a non-governmental, non-partisan think-tank with offices in New York and Washington.
It is privilege for me to be here today to testify on the vital issue of securing an open border between our two countries in the wake of the tragic events of September 11. (Wow, this guy agrees with you that our borders are open. Of course, he's discussing Canada here, but I think that border is a security threat as well).
countries should be embracing universal biometric travel identification cards that include electronic scanning of fingerprints, eye retina or iris information. (Ummm, is there some context to this excerpt)
Inspectors and investigators will continue to play a critical role in the timely detection and interception of anomalies. To be effective, however, a serious effort must be made to improve their pay, staffing numbers, and training, and to push them beyond the border itself into common bilaterlal or multilateral international inspection zones. (hmmm, start funding our border security effort more effectively. This guy is as anti-American as they come)
Ultimately getting border management right must not be about constructing barricades to fend off terrorists.(This couldn't be more correct. A wall will not, and has never worked)
Thanks for the excerpt. You prove my point.
Could you provide a link or a little background info on your post #84.
Shhhhh. Travis thinks this thread is helping his cause. As long as he keeps thinking that, he'll keep bumping it.
You're kicking a** and taking names.
;-)
Sure.....
Buckhead, Rokke and dreammaker have much the same influence as CFR members as you implies at post #77.
Buckhead's Rathergate "discovery" wasn't about U.S. policy was it?
FR's influence is a drop in the bucket as compared to CFR members WHO ARE GENERALS, ACTIVE POLITICIANS, AND FORMER PRESIDENTS. They influence policy. But you're trying to convince us otherwise?? Talk about tinfoil hats.
"If you want to meet a lot of member of the CFR, go get a PhD in International Relations. Or even easier, spend a career in the military. I've worked for a lot of the military folks who currently belong to the CFR."
IOW, they ARE an "elitist" organization. And Katie Couric has WHAT qualification again? "Talking Head"? OR PhD in "International Relations"?
Oh -- the military members? Make it simple for us simpletons. Since you know so many CFRers, why not just reveal to us WHY they've joined CFR? Have they told you? Please cite some examples if you they have.
" I absolutely challenge you to provide me an official agenda of the CFR that supports that [NWO]statement. But here's a hint for you...the CFR doesn't endorse any policy."
The non-endorsement of "any policy" would indeed be the "official" policy when all it takes is whispering policy "suggestions" in some Senator's ear.
One more question Rokke:
Since this thread began as an immigration thread, why in your opinion do you think the borders haven't been sealed?
Calling a talk show from an adversarial POV is a sucker bet. It's like accepting a challenge to a duel by the boss of a town, and he gets to provide both pistols. The pistol he gives you has a bent barrel, no sights, no hammer, and is loaded with blanks. Then he shoots you down and gloats about his amazingly quick draw and superior marksmanship.
That's the inherent lopsidedness of having the host controlling the dump button, volume controls, being able to talk over you, cut you off, use funny or degrading sound effects while you're talking etc.
No thanks. That's why I don't call talk shows, it's a waste of time for a caller who disagrees.
Tony Snow claims to be a freeper? Then let him engage, right here on an even playing-field, (if he's not just fishing for a$$-kissing on this Snow Show threads).
I'd gladly go on the show, if he:
#1: Personally guaranteed 5 minutes of debate. Thirty seconds each at a time, with a bell or signal in between turns.
#2: No talk overs, no sound effects, cutoffs--period. Clear 30 second blocks of clean air time for my turns.
A time certain to call in, no waiting around on hold for an hour, only to go on 30 seconds before a break.
If folks don't mind calling in and waiting on hold, fine for them, God bless'em. But I have better things to do than wait for an hour, and MAYBE getting on, only to be cut off, talked over, and have "funny" sound effects played while I'm trying to get out a point.
I learned a long time ago not to walk into an ambush.
As always, these useful idiots have some misconception that somehow they will benefit from the negative changes they have instigated, aided and abetted, while somehow managing to stay above the melee. Not this time.
As Squantos likes to say, doom on 'em all.
--CFR recommended reading.'
Hmmm...
15 more bttt.
Jorge and his cronies are twisting Senatorial arms to go along with their views. They don't give a damn what we think as long as we keep paying our $$$.
Let's check the facts on that one. Look back at Tony's posts and see how many are on threads other than the Tony Snow Show.
Having said that I must say that I think Tony is one of the best of the best in terms of his motives, facts and ability to interpret facts. He's the closest thing to a true conservative I know.
So, let's assume for the sake of discussion that CFR is a secret subversive society of evil dooers. Isn't it a good thing that we have someone like Tony as an "infiltrator"?
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