Posted on 04/02/2006 12:48:06 AM PST by Rick_Michael
House conservatives yesterday issued a dire warning to President Bush and Republican leadership that they will pay a devastating political price if they proceed with a guest-worker program or anything resembling amnesty for illegal aliens before securing the borders and enforcing existing immigration laws.
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>>There really are jobs Americans don't want to do.
I can't disagree more, and this false belief is the reason that the GOP is not taking a tougher stand on the issue.
The fact is, Americans will do any job if it pays enough. Someone who is here illegally will accept a below-market wage, just as you can get cigarettes or liquor cheaper if you buy them illegally (i.e. without the excise tax being applied to them).
Illegal immigration has masked the high inflation (5-6%) that has actually been occuring over the past 15 years.
Americans will have to get used to paying more for construction work, meals in restaurants, etc. Either that, or this work will need to be done more efficiently and less labor-intensively through the use of technology.
"POTUS missed the golden opportunity on 9-12-01 to seal the border with federal troops."
Open borders after 9/11 and during a war on international terrorism is insane. I sincerely hope that another terrorist attack does not occur in this country, but if it does, look out. There will be hell to pay.
I am with you. I will support refugees and not a bunch of people that can't even read their own language. We are not a toilet here in the United States for another country to crap in.
It matters to the employer who pays them and gets negatives instead of positive for his time, cost, and effort. It also matters to you who will pay more for all goods and services because the drop in productivity will raise prices across the board.
If anything it will give them the healthful motivation to improve themselves by trying for something better. This is the way it's always been, and it doesn't matter if anyone likes it or not.
You have either been out to pasture too long or on Mars to think that things are the way they have always been. Does giving them free schooling motivate them to better themselves? Does giving them free healthcare motivate them to better themselves? I am talking about Americans, not illegals.
Does triple pay and lots of time off and loafing on the job motivate the unions? Does 90% pay while sitting idle in a "job bank" for months and years motivate unions to improve themselves? Does a year and a half unemployment pay motivate them to help themselves? Does free housing motivate them?
You and I are talking about completely different people. The only thing that motivates people is fear of pain and hope for pleasure. The left has removed the pain from failure and the pleasure from success.
That is what we are looking at today, not the way it was 50-60 years ago.
You are correct. Put the hammer down on these elected people. Remind them of the oath they took when they were sworn in. They are slogging around dishonorably like little children that need a slap on the ass to make them pay attention to you.
You have part of the equation right, the part about supply and demand and the welfare state.
There are two parts to a free market and supply and demand where labor is concerned. You have to pay enough to get a qualified person to accept the job you are offering. For it to be enough the pay has to be attractive in relation to other alternatives, like the welfare state you mentioned and the type of work to be done.
Many of us would bus tables, dig ditches, etc., for $75,000/yr., but who could afford to eat in a restaurant that pays bus boys that much or buy a house from a builder that paid a ditch digger that much? That is the other side of the "if it paid enough equation". You forget how those wages affect you, the consumer.
The thing that must be recognized and fought is that we are right where the left has planned for us to be. They have been stealthily working on this for almost 100 years and the payoff is almost here for them.
They have infiltrated our schools, the unions have always been controlled by the left, the trial lawyers, the Democrat Party has become the Communist Party, our immigration policy, our government regulation and our courts, all the end result of a long time effort by the left to take over this country.
Their strategy has always been to divide and conquer. They set rich against poor, black against white, male against female, straight against homo, parents against children and teachers, immigrants against citizens, workers against management, Democrats against Republicans and America, and now they are succeeding in setting conservatives against conservatives.
Some of us had better wake up and see past our noses.
The world changes every day. A reasonable goal set at the 1964 Republican Convention shouldn't have to dominate our decision-making once it has been achieved, for example.
I'd think that 9/11 changed a lot of minds about globalism, as well.
Yeah, that's the ticket! Might as well vote Communist for all the good it will do. The intent is to divide the Republican Party so that the Democrats win. I hope you are not successful.
Libertarians include the worst open-borders fanatics you can ever hope to meet.
Correct. I made the same point elsewhere. For $100/hr I will clean toilets. Whether I will ever get hired at that rate is an entirely different question.
Bump.
I concur.
They wouldn't have to pay $75,000 a year. Just a competitive wage for the market. I don't believe the choices are $75,000 a year or illegal labor. Yes, we as consumers might absorb additional costs in goods and services, but only to the extent that the market would allow. It would also be partially offset by the increased tax base. Also, for every worker that moves off of government assistance to a paying job, the effect is compounded.
Anything that keeps democrats out of power and majorities, are not pointless.
Third parties are pipe dreams. The side who loses more voters to third parties, gives the other side the win.
Perot helped elect Clinton.
That's the spirit, Bob. Give 'em hell!
If they can't put Americans first, then they have no business holding elected office.
Thanks for the supportive comment.
I didn't say they all were.
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