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To: Smokin' Joe

The solution isn't revolution, nor is it criminalizing immigration, but rather exporting the basis of private property rights, legitimate freedom, respect for legitimate authority and capitalism into Mexico from the North st the same grass roots level.

Use the same socialist operations in reverse against their appeal to the masses. Make capitalism, private property rights and freedom more available to the masses of Central America.


9 posted on 04/01/2006 2:50:39 AM PST by Cvengr
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The Mexican-American War (1846-1848) was fought primarily to enable the United States to expand at the expense of Mexico. Texas became the focal point of hostilities between an expansionist United States and a recently independent Mexico. Increasingly dominated by white immigrants from the United States, Texas gained independence from Mexico in 1836.

This short-lived Texas republic sought U.S. protection against Mexico and possible interference from the British or other European powers.

At the urging of President James K. Polk, Congress approved the annexation of Texas on March 1, 1845. Polk also sent representatives to Mexico to negotiate the purchase of what are today New Mexico and California, but the Mexicans refused and both sides sent troops to the Texas-Mexico border. U.S. forces, led by future President Zachary Taylor, provoked an incident with the Mexican army, and Polk quickly obtained a declaration of war from Congress on May 13, 1846. In August 1847, after 15 months of fighting, the Mexican Government accepted a temporary armistice and began to negotiate a permanent peace settlement with Polk's personal representative, Chief Clerk of the Department of State Nicholas P. Trist. After the Mexican delegation rejected U.S. proposals for a settlement, the armistice was terminated on September 7. The war was won decisively by the United States, culminating with the capture of Mexico City about 1 week later.

Although ordered by Polk to return to Washington, Trist remained in Mexico and carried out unauthorized talks with Mexican representatives in late 1847. These meetings formed the basis for the final peace treaty, also negotiated by Trist. Although Polk refused to acknowledge or compensate Trist, he grudgingly accepted the agreement and submitted it to the Senate for ratification. The February 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (named for a town outside Mexico City) signaled Mexico's surrender and finalized the purchase of New Mexico and California for $15 million.

learn some history, you damn idiots

10 posted on 04/01/2006 2:59:29 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod (I have five dollars for each of you)
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To: Cvengr
First off, immigration is not a criminal act if done in accordance with US law. I have several friends whose ancestors were from Mexico, who came here, learned English, and became Americans (sans hyphenation).

Sneaking across the border of the United States for the purpose of siezing territory falls under 'acts of war'.

This falls in between.

It is illegal to enter the country as a foreign national without going through the proper procedures.

It is illegal to become employed here without following the proper legal procedures.

It is illegal to work here and not pay taxes on the income unless other arrangements have been made by the US Government with your Country's government.

Maybe gun owners should take note. We have been trying to go by the rules and repeal infringements on a basic and Constitutionally protected Right with little success. One person forgets to dot the 'I's and cross tht 'T's and they get STOMPED by the US government.

Other people invade our country, breaking the law not in just one instance, but MILLIONS of instances, and the same government calls it a 'movement'.

This is a wholesale abdication of their Constitutional DUTY at the Federal Level to "provide for the common defense".

If we do not have the cojones to defend our own country as prescribed by our own, existing, laws, then we need new leadership, I do not give a rabid rat's ass what party they are affiliated with.

Things will not change there until they cannot come here and work.

One more thing. Go to the parts store and check out where brake drums, rotors, etc. come from: China or Mexico.

It seems we already exported a bunch of good paying American manufacturing jobs, and the herd is still coming north, only now, they are trampling our laws and our flag with increased disdain.

You cannot give someone freedom, only at best the opportunity to change their nation to be free. If they want capitalism in their country, they will have to change their own country or become Americans, in every sense of the word.

29 posted on 04/01/2006 8:28:11 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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