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To: Howlin

According to the memory impaired Mr. Bissey in the link below, they arrived, came outside after 20 min., got into ONE car amidst a crowd of angry, slur-spewing party-goers. Then after a time when things calmed down, ONE woman went back in to get her shoes. If an attack occurred, that would likely have been the time imo ... with "Kim" remaining in the car outside.
http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/421799.html


446 posted on 04/02/2006 10:29:16 AM PDT by GAgal
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To: GAgal

Okay, so Duke own the house. That means they could be held liable (a stretch perhaps but not so far-flung that some lawyers wouldn't try it). They essentially put the jocks in the house.

Mr. Bissey-body says the house has often been the scene of loud parties and the police have been called out there four other times in seven months.

There's a lot to the accuser's story that doesn't add up but there are some things from the player's side that makes you wonder too.

BTW, it is probably an older house given its location near campus and I've been in some older homes where there is more room in the bathroom than you'd find in newer homes. Four people could fit in one old home's bathroom I remember living in for a time. It wouldn't be comfortable but it would be large enough to do the deed and this was a very modest home I am talking about.

This is not going to be an easy case. At least not without some breakthrough like a DNA match.


452 posted on 04/02/2006 11:04:28 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: GAgal; Howlin
I agree with GAgal that the time during which the stripper was inside after going back in to get her shoes is likely the critical event in this. Here's the neighbor Bissey's account from that article:

Jason Bissey, who was on his porch next door during the party, saw the victim that night. He said Friday that he wishes he had called police at the first sign something was wrong.

He saw at least 30 men go into the white three-bedroom house, which Duke officials say is rented by three lacrosse team captains.

Bissey saw two women arrive and, after they were in the house 20 minutes, come out. As they got into a car, men shouted, Bissey said.

"Some of them were saying things like, 'I want my money back,' " Bissey said.

He recalled the racially charged statements at least one man was yelling at the victim.

"When I was outside, one guy yelled at her, '... Thank your grandpa for my cotton shirt,' " Bissey said.

After a few minutes, everything seemed to calm down, he said. One of the women headed back into the house, saying she forgot her shoes.

Days later, Bissey learned one of the young women reported being raped.

"If I had called in the beginning, maybe the cops would have gotten there before this happened," he said.

Here's from another newspaper report:

"The victim's four red polished fingernails were recovered inside the residence consistent to her version of the attack," the police statement said. "She claimed she was clawing at one of the suspect's arms in an attempt to breathe while being strangled. During that time, the nails broke off."

The police officers who searched the house also recovered the woman's makeup bag, her cellphone and a stack of $20 bills consistent with the woman's statement that $400 in cash was taken from her purse after the attack, the police statement said.

I don't think she was physically attacked before she went back in to get her shoes, because she certainly wasn't so frightened of the students at that point that she wasn't willing to go back into the house alone. However, according to the police she ended up leaving her cellphone, her make-up bag and the cash in the house. And as the Kroger security guard said (see below) she was only wearing one shoe, so if that's the case she didn't even manage to get both her shoes back (although perhaps the other one was in the car somewhere).

So that leads me to believe that a physical altercation occurred when the stripper went back in for her shoes. Perhaps she had left her shoes, cellphone and makeup purse in the bathroom and when she went back, some of the students physically assaulted her and relieved her of her money, as I suggested in a post above. A 30-minute rape/sodomization at this point doesn't seem to fit the time line, but I suppose it's not completely inconceivable. Also, it's not impossible that after she was physically assaulted for the cash while she was being held down, one of the students inserted a broom handle or something similar into her (which would be consistent with her having injuries of sexual assault, and yet the students would still expect to have no DNA match).

Here is what the Kroger security guard told reporters: http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-718133.html. Note that it appears that "Kim" (the driver and second stripper) claimed to the security guard that she was NOT at the party, which is similar to her claim on the first 911 call (if she was that first 911 caller) that the women were only driving/walking by the house when they were called racist names. She clearly was playing down or concealing her involvement in things.

When the Kroger security guard called police, she told the dispatcher that the alleged victim was sitting in a car and was "intoxicated, drunk or something." The guard said the woman wouldn't get out of the car.

The guard told the dispatcher that the owner of the car was standing with her at the customer service station.

Michael did not answer a question asking whether the alleged rape victim was intoxicated.

But in an interview Tuesday night, the guard, Angel Altmon, said that once she went to the car and saw the woman, she no longer thought she was intoxicated. In particular, there was no odor of alcohol, Altmon said.

"Somebody must have slipped her something, because she wasn't drunk," Altmon said. "If she was drunk I would have smelled something."

Altmon said she didn't see any bruises on the woman, although it was dark. She said the woman was wearing just one high-heeled shoe and see-through lingerie.

Altmon also said the driver of the car told her she didn't go to the party with the alleged victim. The driver said she was driving near the party scene when she saw the alleged victim walking outside. "She said she saw a whole lot of Duke guys hollering at her" and using racial slurs, Altmon said. She said the driver said she stopped to pick up the woman and brought her to the Kroger to call police.

"I'll be praying for her," Altmon said.

What is a little mysterious to me is why the two strippers drove west and ended up at Kroger, instead of heading in the other direction back toward NCCU or south Durham. I recall one newspaper report saying they were from different escort services, so perhaps they did not know each other very well. Perhaps they had driven separate cars to a meeting point (the Kroger parking lot on Hillsborough?) and then proceeded to the party in one car. I wonder whether it wasn't the case that after the apparent assault, the other stripper Kim was looking for a way to "unload" the assaulted stripper onto someone (e.g., the Kroger security guard) who could look after her and then Kim could depart the scene without getting too involved herself.

465 posted on 04/02/2006 1:33:27 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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