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To: Reagan Man
I think that the biggest problem is that we need too many immigrants, and the boys inside the belt way know that there's NO WAY that Americans will accept the kinds of numbers they know we need to bring into the country.

So, they bolster legal immigration with illegal aliens.

I've posted this before, I'll post it again:

In a recent update of estimates prepared for the panel, Ronald Lee and Timothy Miller found that each additional immigrant with characteristics (such as age, education, and family size) typical of recent immigrants has a “net present value” of $46,000. That is, a new immigrant’s impact over the next 75 years is expected to be equivalent to a one-time investment of $46,000. But Lee and Miller estimate that the country would need to admit an additional 5 million immigrants per year, quintupling the current level of immigration, in order to achieve long-term balance in the Social Security trust fund. A recent report from the United Nations Population Division reached a similar conclusion for European countries, announcing that even much larger migration flows than are currently permitted would not counterbalance the effects of population aging.

To maintain the 2000 ratio between the working-age population (people between the ages of 20 and 64) and the older population (people ages 65 and older), the United States would need roughly 95 million more working-age persons in 2025, in addition to those already expected at current levels of immigration. In other words, if the entire working-age population of Mexico were to move to the United States in 2025, there still would not be enough people to restore the old-age dependency ratio of 2000. -- Report on Government Spending

We kill 1.3 million of our own every year in the name of choice, the baby boomers are retiring at an increasingly dizzying rate, we squandered the monies out into the SS system, and now we're basically screwed.

Illegal aliens are the symptom, not the disease.

465 posted on 03/31/2006 5:58:43 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
>>>>So, they bolster legal immigration with illegal aliens.

Right, through an amnesty process and that is WRONG. There is a legal process in place today which allows foreigners to come and work in the US. It allows for foreigners to become US citizens at some future date. Its a constitutional process.

Amnesty subverts that process. At the same time, amnesty makes a mockery of our criminal justice system. If the US finds itself short of workers in the future, then legal immigration numbers should be increased. Right now I don't see the US Chamber of Commerce advertising for foreigners to enter the US illegally. In most cases, foreigners are making the decision to come to America and thereby live as illegal aliens.

474 posted on 03/31/2006 6:19:27 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Illegal aliens are the symptom, not the disease."

You just never run out of straw, do you? We have a glut of undereducated and unskilled labor, not a shortage. There are 12 million Americans officially unemployed, and probably double that if you count welfare recipients.

You've misdiagnosed disease. Illegal aliens are a symptom of prosperity. So long as America is better off than Mexico, there will be those who try to sneak in illegally. The only cure for our 'disease' of prosperity is border security and deportation.

478 posted on 03/31/2006 6:29:42 PM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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