[Proud2BAmerican]

If 'everybody' ignores it, then sure it's meaningless. Except everyone doesn't ignore it, but a lot of people take the risk and do. And some of those get caught and get tickets. Same thing with immigration. Not every Mexican runs across the border. Some do gamble that it's worth it and do. McKennedy would make a lot of those pay the fines. The other guy's argument, presumably, was that the borders are meaningless because some get through them. So my question remains is whether the stop sign is meaningless if I ran it.

Borders are meaningless unless a nation enforces them -- i.e., does what is necessary to prevent illegal entry. At this point in time, the border is largely unsecured, and entry is not a difficult prospect -- as evidenced by the torrent of illegal aliens flooding our country on a daily basis. If the law regarding stop signs were largely unenforced, to the same degree with which illegal aliens enter our country, then yes, stop signs would become meaningless.

[UNflagburner]

Borders are meaningless unless a nation enforces them.

That's true.

-- i.e., does what is necessary to prevent illegal entry.

That one's only true if illegal entry is considered a threat to the country's security. Lettuce pickers hardly qualify.

At this point in time, the border is largely unsecured, and entry is not a difficult prospect -- as evidenced by the torrent of illegal aliens flooding our country on a daily basis.

One could just as easily cite a large number of traffic violations and how easy it is to run a stop sign, and how plenty of it happens on a daily basis.

If the law regarding stop signs were largely unenforced, to the same degree with which illegal aliens enter our country, then yes, stop signs would become meaningless.

Is that a "yes they're meaningless"? More importantly, McKennedy will enforce the law by making violators pay fines. But I'll bet you're opposed to that.