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To: EternalVigilance
What do you have against Tom T., my friend?

I having problems because it's the same old thing that was said about the Irish Catholics and Germans in the mid 19th century and the Jews and Italians in the late 19th and early 20th, and the Asians for the mid-20th... They don't fit in... they'll change things... they'll bring American down... Never happened.

Now there are a few problems with the present situation. One is that the left insists that the Hispanic immigrants don't have to assimilate. Well, the Irish, Jews, Germans, Asians did -- they had and still have their own newspapers and languages and communities. But they have to deal with the rest of the U.S. in English... Bilingualism does far more harm than good.

They should have a good knowledge of American history. When my grandmother was deep in Alzheimer's, there were two things she could remember: The main neighborhoods of Prague, where she came from, and every President from Washington to FDR, which she had to memorize and recite to be a citizen.

There's a lot of other requirements I'd put on immigrants: Keep their legal nose clean, don't expect any help, at least from the federal government (I'm sure there would be individual states and municipalities that would provide aid). We need better-controlled borders to weed out the terrorists and those who are criminals (in other senses than illegally immigrating).

But frankly, anyone who is willing to support themselves (or has someone who will do so), will obey the law, and isn't carrying a communicable disease should be allowed into the U.S.

153 posted on 03/31/2006 8:37:28 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

I guess you have no idea what the word Illegal means. Legal immigration is fine. This is illegal. One day there will be a settling of accounts for members of the 5th column such as yourself. Quisling is too fine a word for you.


166 posted on 03/31/2006 9:44:33 AM PST by ohioman
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
There is a crucial difference between the Hispanic immigration of our time and other immigration waves, even present day immigrants from Asia. Hispanics, especially Mexican Americans, are a classic instance of an adjacent nationality with a grudge against the neighboring nation due to past military defeats. For over 60 years, the PRI (Institutional Revolutionary Party), organized as the result of a leftist, anticlerical revolution in Mexico, held a one party monopoly in that country. Anti-Americanism was a staple in the PRI's rhetoric. One of the PRI's first presidents nationalized foreign (mostly American) held oil and natural gas interests in the 1930s. American oil producers, including the father of William F. Buckley, and conservative elements in the Catholic Church regarded the Mexican Revolution as communistic, due to the nationalization and anticlerical activities of the PRI governments. (Not until recently could Mexican Catholic clergy legally wear identifying clothing, such as the Roman collar, in public.) In fact, oil men and conservative Catholics unsuccessfully lobbied the Hoover and Roosevelt Administrations for American military intervention in Mexico.

Irredentism can be a powerful force in politics. Hitler used it as an excuse to annex Austria, the Sudetenland, Alsace-Lorraine, and parts of Poland. Stalin, though theoretically an internationalist, strove to restore the boundaries of the Tsarist Empire in Eastern Europe. While there is a lot of anti-Americanism in Canada, the Canadians and British successfully repulsed American invasion attempts during the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. OTOH, Mexico was humiliated by the loss of Texas, and later of the rest of the Southwest, in the 1830s and 1840s. American response to Mexican incursions was swift and forceful in the 1910s, when the U.S. Navy captured Vera Cruz and the U.S. Army invaded northern Mexico to stop Pancho Villa's cross-border raids.

It is self-evident that the American government and people do not have the will to resist that their predecessors did. Starting in 1965, immigration laws were liberalized, and the 1986 amnesty program essentially forgave a past generation of illegal immigrants. Mexicans and others have recognized the softness on the part of the United States. Cities like Los Angeles and areas like the Rio Grande Valley that were once more mixed ethnically have become more and more Hispanic. When a population becomes sufficiently large that they have their own cultural and media infrastructure and little contact with outsiders, there develops little desire for assimilation. There is precedent for long standing non-English speaking communities in America. Some farming communities in Pennsylvania and the Midwest settled by Germans remained German speaking until well into the last century. Additionally, Cajun communities remained French speaking until after World War II.

Much has been made about how Italians, Poles, Jews, Greeks, etc., who arrived in the 1880-1920 immigration wave became Americanized, as of course they did. However, an important reason for their assimilation was the restrictions placed on immigration following World War I. With the flow of immigration ended, there were no new immigrants who would keep their predecessors current on the culture and politics of the old country. Additionally, the immigrants in question had arrived legally and by having this status, they did not enter the country already at odds with the authorities.

The immigration from Latin America, especially Mexico, is more like what happened in Kosovo where Albanian immigrants became a majority in the last century. By the 1990s, rather than submit to the Serbian authorities, they rebelled and established their own government, expelling the remaining Serbs. Continued unchecked immigration will cause a similar situation to develop in the Southwest.

Instead of engaging in a multitude of activities, the vast majority of which were never intended by the Founding Fathers, the Federal government must engage in its Constitutional duty in protecting our borders by whatever means necessary.

179 posted on 03/31/2006 10:30:20 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
But frankly, anyone who is willing to support themselves (or has someone who will do so), will obey the law, and isn't carrying a communicable disease should be allowed into the U.S.

Paid your La Raza dues this year, did you?
187 posted on 03/31/2006 11:02:19 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

Three things:

1. In your entire remarks you seem to forget that they we are talking about ILLEGAL ALIENS.

2. Anyone who passes your easy 'no disease, willing to work, obey the law' criteria can come? A billion of them?

3. Your forbears were not only not illegal aliens, they didn't march en masse through the streets carrying hostile communist signs and waving the banner of a foreign state.


194 posted on 03/31/2006 12:15:39 PM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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