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A small special ops war? Would that have routed the Taliban? Sure we could have assisinated Saddam, but that would leave Uday, Qusay or some other Saddamite in charge. In other words, no regime change & and the continued (if not expanded) support of worldwide terror. Think Iran.

You may or may not think transforming the ME from terrorist enclave to modern world is worthwhile, but it is worth a shot. People say "the muslims will never change". Well, in my learned estimation, there is Turkey, Jordan, the UAE, Kuwait, and a few others that ALREADY are fighting terrorism in their midst, and at least are allied with us enough to know that their govt's are not going to be sliding nukes and chemical weapons to the Bin Ladens of the world.

Afghanistan, with our help of course, is stacking up taliban remnants and terrorists like cordwood, and we are doing the same in Iraq. Libya gave up the ghost and now is looking for US assistance to destroy its WMD remnants. Lebannon held elections, and it looks like a multi party democracy will take hold. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and Yemen, 3 of the places infested most with islamo fascists are killing off terrorists in their midst. And I predict Hamas will soon change their tune, ehich they have started to already.

And how did Bush sell out the middle calss exactly? Unemployment in my state went from 6.8% after 9-11 to about 4.3% now. And don't even try to tell me it's all WalMart jobs. Every engineer working for independent consulting firms is employed beyond 50 hours a week and has the luxury now of choosing which company will pay him the most. Boeing is booming. Microsft is booming, Weyerhauser is booming, Paccar/Kenworth is booming. Small businesses are booming. Good luck finding an electrician or a carpenter or a plumber or a steelworker that has much time to breathe. State coffers are spilling over and tourism is high once again.

The "war" in Afghanistan was fought almost entirely with SpecOps and the Muj. The heavy forces weren't operational until after the Towelaban had been toppled.

The amnesty of illegals will finish off the middle class in this country. The pay for manufacturing jobs has lagged well behind inflation under Bush. Most new jobs created during his term are lower paying jobs, Sure there are certain areas where there is good pay but that doesn't help most middle class.

Again, Iraq had no viable WMD program. And I don't care about their internal politics. We have made more terrorists than we killed. I disagree with you about killing terrorists in Iraq. We didn't even fire a shot in the last big op and hundreds were allowed to escape Fallujah before we attacked. I have ex-Marine friends - officers who left the Corps over that one. We pay them to kill people and break things and the politicians let the bad guys get away to back shoot US soldiers. Unforgivable.

ISLAM will never change. My ancestors fought Muslims 1,000 years ago and would be pissed that we haven't finished the job.

Most ME governments that are "fighting" terrorists are only fighting the ones that aren't under their control. A large amount of money still flows from the Royals in Saudi Arabia to scumbags. But they are their scumbags.They talk out of both sides of their mouths.