"'Going to hell' is not a cause at all it's a result. Isn't it?"
Yep, can't type as fast as I think at times...
Our thread friend - KnowYourRights
Duh! (slaps forehead) I'm guilty of PWEC. (posting without enough coffee) OK. Yes, Know your rights originally posted the second postulate. But you agreed that it was true so I am not in error for asking how you can hold it as true while holding as true two antithetical postulates.