Breaking the Immigration Impasse -- Amnesty with Teeth

March 30, 2006 | HMV

[Regulator]

One more thing:

First of all, all illegals currently in the country would have to sign a written document stating that they had broken the laws of the United States by entering the country

IOW, an admission of guilt. Will that result in:

- A criminal record?

- If not, then will they be able to eventually:

- Be employed as police? (no record, right?)

- Own firearms?

- Work as TSA screeners?

- Hold positions of trust within the government?

- Obtain a DOD or other agency security clearance?

- Get access to an airport SIDA within the 7 year period of investigation?

Get the drift? When you acquiesce to something like this, you not only cheapen citizenship in the United States, you open a whole host of serious questions for the future.

Your proposal is simplistic and weak. Amnesty is amnesty, and the last people who should get it are foreigners who have never done anything but show contempt for the laws of a free people.

[samcgwire]

B-I-N-G-O!

Compassionate Conservative = "Vote for an Internationalist-firster camoflauged as a type of Conservative"

[Hop A Long Cassidy]

>>>all illegals currently in the country would have to sign a written document

Ha! Ha! Ha! Most can't read let alone speak English.

>>>"They would be required to report their location to the INS annually

Ha! Ha! Ha! People who overstay their visas don't do this now.

>>and any other violations of U. S. or state laws could result in loss of status and deportation.

Ha! Ha! Ha! We deport them, they come back maybe 3 or 4 times - some to commit the crimes Americans won't commit.

>>>those applying legally from outside the country (who have not immigrated illegally) would have priority over those who entered the country illegally.

Ha! Ha! Ha! They'll wait forever. According to posts made here at FR, some have waited up to 10 years.

I appreciate your trying to come up with a workable solution, but it is hard when the definition of "illegal alien" means "illegal, law-breaker, commiting a crime."

Maybe they could be deported and their employers fined. Maybe all welfare benefits including child education and health care could be suspended immediately. Maybe when they went to school to register or to the hospital to check in they could be arrested. Maybe we could build a fence. Maybe we could move our troops along the border.

Then when these illegals get back home, they could apply to immigrate like everyone else. Why do THEY decide who becomes a citizen, and not US?

[samcgwire]

"The very first step is to secure the borders. After that's been done, then we can talk about the rest of it."

In a sane world with moral, high-integrity leadership that truly cares about America first, yes, 100% spot on.

[MikeA]

I don't blame you. I don't want any kind of amnesty, but I am willing to look at a temporary guest worker plan. I realize there are industries that would cease to function without that labor, so we need some sort of sane and enforceable plan that will keep entire economic sectors from shutting down but will not provide amnesty. I don't know what that will look like at this point, but I do realize we'll never be able to catch and deport all the illegals here, so let's get a handle on who is here and get some taxes and fines out of them.

[Mike Darancette]

And wake up to find our houses cost 30% more

How would you explain the fact that average incomes in the building trades have gone down while new house prices have skyrocketed in many markets? With the illegals gone there will be a housing glut in many areas the likes of which has never been seen. The banks that have been giving loans to illegals might temporarily take it in the shorts though.

[CodeToad]

The current laws have teeth but the feds refuse to honor and enforce those laws. What's make us think new laws will be enforced? This is just to get us all to shut up and stop fighting back.

[dennisw]

How about this: No guest worker under this amnesty can ever become a citizen. This means they can never sponsor relatives to immigrate, could never vote nor get welfare. They cannot bring wives and family here. Put the Mexicans/Central Americans to the test. They say they want to make money here, then return back to home, wife and children. Then return and make some more money. Well, put them to the test

I'm positive they would flunk it.
Generally the only guest worker program I would go for would be for agricultural workers

[samcgwire]

The new laws won't be enforced, sooner or later, but that wall could last awhile.

The wall allows Minutemen to have to guard less terrirory.

[skeeter]

I don't know what that will look like at this point, but I do realize we'll never be able to catch and deport all the illegals here, so let's get a handle on who is here and get some taxes and fines out of them.

What it all boils down to is any plan congress devises, no matter how attractively packaged & presented, is not worth the paper its written on unless we can effectively enforce our immigration laws first, period. Congress knows this.

I don't hear anything coming out of DC which would lead me to believe they are serious about solving the problem.

[McGavin999]

The Kyl/Cornyn bill is the only one that is remotely acceptable. They can apply for guest worker status from their home country. If they already have a job here, fine, it shouldn't take more than a few days to clear the paperwork and come back. If they don't have a job, they can't come back. Plain and simple.

They should also be required to learn english and all ballots now printed in multiple languages should be stopped. Ballots should only be printed in english.

[dennisw]

 

 

 

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Is there any clearer illumination of the agenda-driven mainstream media than the infiltration of this open-borders euphemism into the supposedly objective news coverage of the illegal immigration debate?

As I've said many times, "undocumented workers" and "undocumented immigrants" have plenty of documents.

Here, let me show you. The following documents, provided to me by a fraud investigator, are just a small sample of the the fake green cards, driver's licenses, photo identification, and other papers that "undocumented" people create, use, and carry with them every day:

[McGavin999]

There are plenty of people who want to come here legally who would gladly do those jobs. Increase the amount of LEGAL immigration. I agree that we need immigrants, but we need LEGAL immigrants that we can assure ourselves have clean backgrounds and will learn english and assimilate into America. We don't need "re-conquestas" and people who mob American street waiving Mexican flags.

[savedbygrace]

And when we don't have leadership that cares about America first, we kick that leadership out of office. At this point, I really don't care it that means the Dims take over. Heck, the pubbies ewre never so conservative as when they were in the minority.

[Publius6961]

Breaking the Immigration Impasse -- Amnesty with Teeth

I dont' want teeth --- I want fangs. Huge ones.

And no wiggle room for loopholes this time.

And penalties. Mandatory penalties and expedited deportation for violators!

[OkieDoke]

You're exactly right. Secure the borders.
We can keep swatting mosquitos or we can drain the swamp.

[old republic]

The guestworker program will do little to fix the problems that we already have. If people cannot get a guestworker visa, then they will still cross illegaly and probably eventually get amnesty. But even the guestworker program itself doesn't solve many problems. When the work visas expire, there is no guarantee that guestworkers will leave willingly. If these workers overstay their visa, they can just have a child and then fight their deportment on the grounds that their kid is US citizen. In order to remedy this the current method of granting US citizenship must be changed. Becoming a US citizen merely because of location of birth is absusrd. In order to be born a citizen, Parents should be US citizens. Children should inherit the legal status of their parents. Otherwise the US will be full of citizens who are loyal to other nations, and not to the US. Everyone concerned about this issue should call their representatives and Senators and demand that they support an amendment to the Constitution to fix this problem.
It is good to talk to your own Representatives as well as the Speaker and Majority leaders. Senators and Representatives can be reached here:

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/congdir.tt
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

[Darlan]

The anchor baby clause may not require a constitutional amendment. Check out the following link-

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/anchorbaby_FAIR.html


Anchor Babies and Interpreting the 14th Amendment

It is well known that a person born in the United States is an automatic citizen regardless of the mother's citizenship status. However, the United States is unusual in its offer of citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil. Only a few European countries still grant automatic citizenship at birth. The United Kingdom and Australia repealed their U.S. style policy in the 1980s after witnessing abuses similar to those plaguing the U.S. today. Why does the United States continue to allow a practice subject to widespread fraud? The answer lies in how American jurisprudence has interpreted the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment was added to the Constitution as part of the post Civil War reforms aimed at addressing injustices to African Americans. It states that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States" and was crafted so that state governments could never deny citizenship to anyone born in the United States. However, when the amendment was crafted, the United States had no immigration policy, and thus the authors saw no need to state explicitly, what they believed was understood. The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude from automatic citizenship American-born persons whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. In the case of illegal aliens who are temporarily or unlawfully in the United States, because their native country has a claim of allegiance to the child, the completeness of the allegiance to the United States is impaired and logically precludes automatic citizenship.

"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

I had never read anything like this before and am not really familiar with the background on how the courts interpreted the amendment. But I thought that was interesting.

We all take it as a fact that the 14th amendment was written to give anyone born in the US automatic citizenship. I didn't realize that the "intent" of the clause may have changed. It is a shame how much US history we (myself included!) don't know. I have been interested in history since high school, but still am very ignorant even though I am always reading something!

Anyway, just wanted to post this for discussion.

[pollyannaish]

What they did not count on back then, was the coming technological ability to falsify documents that are indistinguishable from the real thing.

And the very liberal trial lawyers just waiting for employers to trip up. Put those two sets of teeth together, and the governments teeth look pretty tame.

Now, having said that just think of what kind of technology will be around twenty years from now. We just don't know.

Want to know a solution? Want to really keep those illegals out?

Well, we could all run around with highly sophisticated government-issue cards that checked a main database that kept track of where people live, work, bank, die, etc. Then an employer could just swipe a card to see if a person is legal or illegal because the all powerful government would know a lot about each and every one of us. They could check on us at any moment, any purchase, any time of day or night they would know what we were doing and how we were doing it.

Problem is, you start doing that and that wall you built to keep people out? Well, all of a sudden it becomes the wall that is keeping people in.

I will say it again. As long as there is opportunity for people in this country, there will be people trying to get in...legally and illegally.

[antceecee]

It goes way beyond opportunity in this country. We're passing out benefits of citizenship to those who come here illegally. It goes way beyond the prospect of job opportunities. We have pretty much established a second tier of ILLEGAL citizenship in this country complete with all the rights to social services/benefits that are meant for LEGAL residents and citizens.
Technology could also cut the other way. Fear of a possible future Orwellian police state cannot paralyze us into doing nothing.
We need to secure our borders NOW. Prosecute the scum that are breaking the law and hiring illegals NOW. Deport NOW, start by rounding them up at their protests.