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The striking idiocy of youth: French students should go back to class to learn some economics
Times of London ^ | March 30, 2006 | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 03/30/2006 5:05:03 AM PST by billorites

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1 posted on 03/30/2006 5:05:05 AM PST by billorites
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To: Tax-chick

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2 posted on 03/30/2006 5:08:04 AM PST by Tax-chick (Baby milk factory and all-night laundry -- please tip your server!)
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To: billorites

It's becoming the same thing here. Trying to find a good carpenter is getting hard. Craftsmen are in short supply and that's a real shame. Oh, I'm not talking about someone who can put a couple of boards together, I'm talking about someone who is a craftsman, the same with ironwork and some of the other dying crafts. Yes, you can still find some, but they are now so expensive you really can't afford them. You used to be able to run over to your neighbor and get him to do something for a couple of beers and a hamburger, now you have to practically mortgage your house or substitute some cheap, mass produced piece of crap instead.


3 posted on 03/30/2006 5:18:10 AM PST by McGavin999 (The US media is afflicted with Attention Deficit Disorder)
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To: McGavin999

My first father-in-law was a master craftsman. He helped me redo an enclosed walk-way between the garage and house into a sitting room in our first home. He was a perfectionist in all he did. A little impatient with me but that was understandable. I learned enough from him through this project and others to do my own renovation work later. And I, too, am somewhat of a perfectionist. While the marriage didn't last, I'll always be grateful to him for what he taught me. He's long gone now.

In his early days he was a bootlegger in Chicago. And he wasn't mob connected. That should give you some idea of him.


4 posted on 03/30/2006 5:25:09 AM PST by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" - Anonymous)
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To: billorites
The inevitable consequence of socialism is economic collapse. France is going through the same cohos the rest of Eastern Europe has already suffered, and that soon, Western Europe cannot escape.

Governments cannot balance supply and demand. Even with complete authority over production, materials, markets, prices, wages and ownership or control of property governments are unable to do what any corner convenience store in American can do; meet demand with what is wanted and make a profit.

V. I. Lenin's famous dictum: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs," and Lyndon Johnson's equally famous words, "We must take from those who have too much and give it to those who need more," is unworkable.

It has escaped the notice of the dupes of socialism that those like Lenin and Johnson who say such things live better than anyone else.
5 posted on 03/30/2006 5:34:51 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal
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To: bcsco

"You used to be able to run over to your neighbor and get him to do something for a couple of beers and a hamburger," Darn those neighbors who kept the price of artisinship down. :)


6 posted on 03/30/2006 5:35:01 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: McGavin999
I've been building a house for the last two years...

Skilled craftsmen have become very expensive as you say. You have to be down right wealthy to build beautiful things with stone or wood these days.

A typical skilled person in the trades (electrician, plumber, carpenter) here in California runs $60+ an hour.

You can buy faux stone for $7 a square foot but it will cost you another $28 a square foot in labor... Labor has become everything.
7 posted on 03/30/2006 5:38:35 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: R.W.Ratikal

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

I believe that was actually Karl Marx.


8 posted on 03/30/2006 5:41:32 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: billorites
French students should go back to class to learn some economics

Knowing the patent falsehoods they teach in the academy, "back to class" is the last place they should go to learn some economics.

9 posted on 03/30/2006 5:44:57 AM PST by TheyConvictedOglethorpe
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To: billorites
The much touted minimum wage in the US has a similar effect in making it more difficult for those with unproven skills to get jobs. Localities that have boosted the minimum wage to a "subsistence" wage ...generally in excess of $10 per hour... hurt not help entry level employees. Given what employers must pay they will be far more selective and tend not to hire those without an employment record, those with no skills or people who can only work intermittently, like teenagers still in school.
10 posted on 03/30/2006 5:55:46 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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The ultimate cause of the demonstrations and strikes in the two countries is the same: the State has made promises that it is increasingly unable to keep.

This just about sums it up perfectly.

11 posted on 03/30/2006 6:00:59 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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You used to be able to run over to your neighbor and get him to do something for a couple of beers and a hamburger,

Perhaps those craftsmen could no longer afford to do their work for only beers and a burger?

Seriously, I agree that there is beauty in that type of craftmenship, but you don't see a lot of blacksmiths or glassblowers still around do you? Some trades--perhaps sadly--have been pushed aside because of cheaper and more efficient ways of manufacture.

Of course, some people aren't interested in cheap and efficient. but it appears that this is a case where the majority rules. We can build 3000 sq. foot houses for $100,000 dollars, which makes it more affordable for new homeowners. The walls are paper thin, the wood trim is pressed sawdust, and the exterior is made of vinyl, but the owner has a 3000 sq. foot house.

It's the same with the "Martha Stewart" collection of furniture from KMart. It's it's made of wood veneer, "fiberboard," and colored cardboard. Someone can purchase it with less than $75.00 can assemble it with a screwdriver. How many could afford the same piece of furniture made from oak or birch, and built by a craftsman?

12 posted on 03/30/2006 6:21:04 AM PST by Lou L
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To: R.W.Ratikal

"It has escaped the notice of the dupes of socialism ..."

Escaped the dupes, maybe , but not the ones who will be in charge under a dictatorship. They don't care. Power is the goal.


13 posted on 03/30/2006 6:36:57 AM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: Lou L

That's true, but these things will be gone in no time at all. On the other hand, those things which have been put together by craftsmen will still be around in a hundred years. We've become too much of a disposable society and are losing sight of what has value. Yes, you can buy colored cardboard for $75.00 and have it now, or you can save and pay $300.00 and have something for the ages. The problem is, those skills are being lost and they are being lost due to lack of appreciation and demand. At one time, every farmer knew how to build a fence that would make today's stone masons weep. What do we do when those skills are lost completely?


14 posted on 03/30/2006 6:54:27 AM PST by McGavin999 (The US media is afflicted with Attention Deficit Disorder)
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I live in Georgia and had difficulty finding good tradesmen to work on our 22 year old home. We contracted with Lowe's for a kitchen renovation and it took them 7 months to get the work done. They ordered the wrong door, and could not seem to get the last 5% of the work done for 3/4 months. It was very frustrating. We did find some good painters, but when we called them back for more work, they would not return our calls.

People in our area say that there are not enough tradesmen available. We decided to build a new retirement home and designed it for LOW maintenance.

I believe the lack of tradesmen is a product of our poor education system that does a poor job of training workers for skilled trades. Also, the culture of dependency brought about by that socialist LBJ's "Great Society" allows many to avoid employment.

It will be interesting to see if welfare reform will eventually change this situation. In Georgia, the percentage of persons on welfare is now 10% of what it was prior to welfare reform.

Another point. The Latinos that work on construction crews all over the state are eager to work. Our contractor tells us that without the Latinos, some work would be much harder to get done.


15 posted on 03/30/2006 6:55:34 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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You have a labor shortage, but I doubt that schools would be able to correct that. They have never been able to repsond flexibly enough to do meaningful training that translated into jobs. Loews et al may eventually, but they will probably gratefully scarf up guestworkers and tain them on the job.

btw, aren't all of the people on welfare women?

16 posted on 03/30/2006 7:04:07 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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I think education can train more trades persons, but they continue to focus all students on academic courses, and many kids drop out of school. My employer tried to hire several welders and other skilled tradesmen and had to bring in contract workers from outside the area because there were not enough skilled in those trades in the area.

Welfare (formerly AFDC) did involve payments to mothers, but is also created a culture of dependency that passed on to the children. I handle discrimination cases as a part of my job, and see this mindset is still pervasive. The idea is that the Government or my employer owes it to ME.


17 posted on 03/30/2006 7:12:03 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Education was my gig for a long time. Most skilled tradespeople have been trained is apprentices by mastercraftmen. I think the culture of dependancy is also enhanced by politicians who create government jobs for those who feel entitled. Those people still do not understand how the economy works.


18 posted on 03/30/2006 7:21:53 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

That is why we should increase LEGAL immigration. I am totally against amnisty, and I'm not all that interested in Guest Worker. However, if you want to come to America and become a citizen and you do it the right way, we should welcome them.


19 posted on 03/30/2006 7:24:34 AM PST by McGavin999 (The US media is afflicted with Attention Deficit Disorder)
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To: billorites

*shrug* We have a minimum wage law. What better way to freeze out our own yutes from starter yobs?


20 posted on 03/30/2006 7:26:17 AM PST by null and void (Perhaps hating America is for those for whom hating Jews just isn't enough. - Philippe Roger)
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