Posted on 03/29/2006 4:27:02 PM PST by thoughtomator
He wants us to "triangulate" our sovereignty?
How so? A fence is a good idea. A wall even better.
You know how difficult it is to get a visa to even visit the USA? A pro-american, hard-working, capitalist-loving vietnamese who applies for a visa to come to the USA is told up front that he has less than a 5% chance of being accepted because the US is trying to absorb the millions of illegal mexicans. It needs to be easier than this in order to be able to have more control. Right now, it's almost impossible to enter the US legally. This only encourages lawbreakers (though I don't justify it). And yes, we need to be tough on illegals here already. They are lawbreakers.
I wonder if we really should punish businesses for hiring illegals. In one way I say yes but in another...is'nt it OUR GOVERNMENT who is responsible for keeping out illegals? Why punnish businesses in the USA for our government's failures?
Face it! We have enough legal trouble trying to jail terrorists. You really think we will deport 12 million illegals? REALITY CHECK! DUH!
LET'S BUILD A WALL NOW!
We have plenty of time to talk about what to do with those already here. Let's build the wall before we have 30 million illegals.
They no doubt were forced to in order to avoid raising the wage even more to attract US citizens.
If they really and truly wished to hire legal workers, they would raise wages and recruit more aggressivley. If a job is truly so distasteful and difficult that 'no American will do' it, then by the laws of supply and demand, it should pay more than less strenuous or offensive jobs.
Mass importation of labor (legal or otherwise) is a transparent ploy to artificially depress wages in certain sectors. It's class warfare.
I agree with Dick Morris on this. He notes that the Latino vote went to Gore by 65 - 35 in 2000, but only went to Kerry 54 - 46. That is a huge "swing" and the Republicans would be ill-advised to ignore it. Jump up and down and holler about illegal aliens all you want, but electoral politics is the bottom line.
Morris has some good ideas here - - control the border (with a BIG fence), ID all workers who come in from Mexico, and deport those who refuse to comply. Sounds okay to me.
Electoral politics does not explain why Bush submits budgets to Congress that don't contain funding for BP agents that Congress had just previously authorized. It's not like anyone in the Hispanic community would have used it as a rallying cry against him if all he did was submit a budget that merely provided for what the law authorized.
If anything, pulling stunts like that fosters anger in the Republican ranks over that issue, which further advertises to Hispanics that the Republicans don't like illegal immigration (assuming they'd consider that a bad thing). From an electoral perspective, the action made no sense whatsoever.
Electoral politics also does not explain his ready support for the "REAL ID" Act, which was billed as an anti-illegal measure. In reality, it didn't do much except further erode state sovereignty over certain types of documentation (which no doubt is why it passed so easily). But the fact that it's perceived to be an anti-illegal measure would, if your theory is correct, be detrimental to Republicans' standing with Hispanics, far moreso than simply budgeting for BP agents that Congress authorized.
"well, someone has some polls that perhaps we haven't seen. somewhere, someone has polls that must show that hispanic americans (not the illegals) support guest workers, amnesty, whatever."
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060327-101940-1854r.htm
I agree, there is no excuse, we ARE at war and those borders should have been a first consideration in protecting AMERICAN CITIZENS.. from terrorists and invaders. But I guess common sense and serving the will of AMERICANS is a thing of the past for politicians.
I clicked the link you provided and found zero discussion of illegals or the taxes they pay or the govt. services they use.
Only the citizen blacks vote as a block. In 2004 the asians were 50-50 and hispanics were 55-45 for kerry,
regarding 59, why don't you complain about farm subsidies ?
"Yes to the fence, yes to guest workers and no to greater criminalization"
Yes to the fence, yes to increased immigration after a 5-year moratorium (no guest worker apartheid) and yes to greater criminalization! ESAD, toe-sucker!
"A liberal guest worker program? You mean like the French and Germans once had? I've been there, I've seen the results, no thanks."
No, like the South Africans had.
Oh, wait a sec...
"The GOP base, happy with the fence, will probably go along with it."
Not this voter. This entire article just pi$$e$ my off!
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
it doesn't say anything about how hispanic americans feel. that's the swing voting bloc both parties are targeting.
Politically, I couldn't think of a better demographic group to make up our latest wave of immigration than the Hispanics, maybe the Pols. My only problem is our like of control, Mexican politics, and the fact that they are unskilled.
Can you immagine anything more beautiful than Mexico and the Mexican people with the rule of law and property rights we started out with?
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