Congress Told of More ATF Abuses, Reforms Suggested

CNSNews.com ^ | March 29, 2006 | Jeff Johnson

[Oztrich Boy]

So much for playing by the rules.

It's just FATE (Firearms, Alcohol, Tobacco, Ecplosives)

[TXnMA]

"The term 'willful' is not defined in the law."

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That brings to mind another slimeball excuse:

"No controlling legal authority"...

[kstewskis]

It's just FATE (Firearms, Alcohol, Tobacco, Ecplosives)

Hmmm...I have the first three, but not the last.

Do sparklers from last 4th of July count? ;o)

[looscnnn]

When I say justify I mean hard numbers, like did they spend $50k to get $100? I'm not talking about the touchy, feely justification which is what they were able to get from the Senate. Money wise Waco was a huge waste of taxpayer's money. On the human front it was a tragedy.

[investigateworld]

I know what was behind Ruby Ridge/Randy Weaver BS, never got the skinny on WACO.
Anyone?

[looscnnn]

From what I understand of the reasons it was due to a bunch of firearms that were bought (supposedly over $50k). They say that Koresh bought them. I believe that they claim that there were a bunch of unregistered full autos. They also claimed Koresh was involved in statatory rape. I think that was part of the "warrant" that they were trying to "serve" Koresh. They claimed that Koresh never left the compound, but he jogged on the road outside the compound daily.

[investigateworld]

Those were the public 'reasons', having worked around federal LEOs in my previous career, I know they have another agenda 99% of the time.
And statutory rape is a state violation?

[Uncle Jaque]

Re "...aren't you supposed to pull the ski mask down far enough so's you can see out of it?"

Is that why they keep running around bumping into and tripping over things?

[vrwc0915]

"Should be about June....."

Might not have that long

[looscnnn]

http://www.carolmoore.net/waco/ is an interesting read.

[Barnacle]

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms

What can you say about a bureau established for the purpose of harassing guys who like to pop a beer, light up a cigar and do some plinking?

BATF sounds like something in need of some serious abolishing.

[Barnacle]

Ski mask + Weapon = Criminal

[LuxMaker]

Unfortunately it is the nature of bureaucracies to create a problem, or let a current problem fester, to become the solution, to establish more control. This so often happens in politics as well. Just insert politics in place of bureaucracies.

Now I am not saying all bureaucracies or politicians are like this but I am saying that they gravitate toward this end result as it is the path of least resistance.

By nailing the little guys it creates job security as the big problems become larger as they are left alone. The real problem is still around justifying the need for more control by the bureaucracy(politicians).

[Smokin' Joe]

Waco was murder most foul, not just a 'tragedy'.

[therut]

IF GUNOWNERS were politcally active and I mean in the left leaning way of positive action this crap would stop. If every time a gunowner or FFL is harassed the squeaky wheel was heard loud this would stop. Look what illegal immigrants can do by just protesting. When did you ever see GUNOWNERS protest. NEVER. Conservatives just don't act that way.

[Travis McGee]

Thanks! I'd be done already, if not for freeping........

[freepatriot32]

I'm sure all of this will be done away with when we get a republican majo.....you know what screw it i cant even go through the motions anymore.

How many f**king times a year for the last 5 have we heard of this kind of bulls**t going on over and over again and each time some timid little whore that gets a federal paycheck somewhat casually suggests a reform or two here and there and what happens with all that lip service? not a g*dd**n thing ever and it wont happen because no one is getting pissed enough to throw these sobs out of office that have oversight to bring these jack boot fascists under control.Heres a little thing to note georgie bush (you know the man that point blank said he would sign the assault weapons ban if it got to his desk and brags about project safe neighborhoods that rino pos)can disband the entire agency tomorrow with an executive order but never has even considered it and he still gets a good rating from the ultra liberal NRA. (whose former president helped get the 68 gun control act passed which was an almost verbatim translation from germanys gun control act)the NRA needs this kind of crap going on to raise massive amounts of money from the uninformed sheeple that cant see that that group along with the government are a huge part of the problem.its not a conspiracy its a collusion

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[freepatriot32]

seperated at birth?

[LibertarianInExile]

"I'm sure all of this will be done away with when we get a republican majo.....you know what screw it i cant even go through the motions anymore...How many f**king times a year for the last 5 have we heard of this kind of bulls**t going on over and over again and each time some timid little whore that gets a federal paycheck somewhat casually suggests a reform or two here and there and what happens with all that lip service? not a g*dd**n thing ever and it wont happen because no one is getting pissed enough to throw these sobs out of office that have oversight to bring these jack boot fascists under control.Heres a little thing to note georgie bush (you know the man that point blank said he would sign the assault weapons ban if it got to his desk and brags about project safe neighborhoods that rino pos)can disband the entire agency tomorrow with an executive order but never has even considered it and he still gets a good rating from the ultra liberal NRA. (whose former president helped get the 68 gun control act passed which was an almost verbatim translation from germanys gun control act)the NRA needs this kind of crap going on to raise massive amounts of money from the uninformed sheeple that cant see that that group along with the government are a huge part of the problem.its not a conspiracy its a collusion"

What you said. Only with more punctuation. 8)

[freepatriot32]

i thought all those red dots i was seeing in front of my eyes were periods honest:-) it must have just been the red rage instead lol