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To: NJ_gent
Those who enter the country illegal are, by definition, criminals. That's not rhetoric; it's plain, objective fact.

"By definition", so is everyone who has ever exceeded the speed limit, or changed lanes without using their signal. That's plain, objective fact too. Doesn't make those who have done so unworthy of being Americans, though.

313 posted on 03/29/2006 9:28:55 AM PST by XJarhead
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To: XJarhead

"By definition", so is everyone who has ever exceeded the speed limit, or changed lanes without using their signal. That's plain, objective fact too. Doesn't make those who have done so unworthy of being Americans, though.


No those are infractions not crimes....


332 posted on 03/29/2006 9:34:10 AM PST by rolling_stone (Question Authority!)
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To: XJarhead
""By definition", so is everyone who has ever exceeded the speed limit, or changed lanes without using their signal. That's plain, objective fact too. Doesn't make those who have done so unworthy of being Americans, though."

Comparing traffic violations of citizens with the premeditated invasion of a foreign country by an individual who plots to violate both its laws as well as its sovereignty is absurd. Insinuating that those who violate the national sovereignty of the United States have a right to citizenship is offensive.
334 posted on 03/29/2006 9:34:46 AM PST by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: XJarhead
"By definition", so is everyone who has ever exceeded the speed limit, or changed lanes without using their signal. That's plain, objective fact too. Doesn't make those who have done so unworthy of being Americans, though.

Yep, legally it's a misdemeanor.

But we have people here who want to spend billions over many year extracting the 12 million illegals who have committed this misdemeanor.

I think it's possible now, to get strong border protection, strong employment enforcement and a guest working plan that does not lead to a cutting of the citizenship line and does not lead to an increase in legal quotas.

But we will never get that because Tancredo and his followers want the 12 million to do a hat dance over the border and back.

Ole!

479 posted on 03/29/2006 10:20:55 AM PST by FreeReign
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