Posted on 03/29/2006 4:55:49 AM PST by SJackson
The databases already exist. It's used by financial institutions (through the IRS I believe) to verify identity. Obviously social security has an existing database. Had GWB required it's use by employers on taking office, most of this discussion would be unnecessary. It falls under common sense law enforcement which has been missing.
That's not fog, it's a political smoke screen. Thrown up by certain pubbies for political cover.
The problem is, we can see right through it.
The one he gives his employer so he can get his refund?
When it comes to numbers, I'd be more interested in knowing if the FICA taxes withheld by employers of illegals are ever remitted.
The penalties on employers don't. It is not business that is causing this problem.
A) Those were native-born citizens of their countries whose families had been there for generations.
B) They would have been happy to have been deported.
C) They were murdered en masse.
D) No one is advocating killing illegal aliens in America. Quite the contrary. We're giving them every kind of free service you can imagine, and would be happy to foot the expenses for their bus ride home.
But you knew all of that, you jerk.
How dare you belittle the horrors of the holocaust just to forward your silly open borders agenda!
I'd say that you should be ashamed of yourself, but I've seen your posts long enough to know that you have no shame.
You're no better than the lying La Raza race pimps.
How dare you belittle the horrors of the holocaust just to forward your silly open borders agenda!
Huh, the poster said he wanted them kicked out, just pointing out another time in history when that actually happened.
You're an ass.
Hmmm, can the illegal alien use the same ID to get a bank loan? If not, why?
Seems to me that the illegal alien status is the smaller of the laws that are broken! Tax evasion seems the larger problem....
I don't get the alleged "tax paying" part of this. If they are here illegally, exactly how are they legally paying taxes? If they supply an SSN to the employer, then we have felony document fraud and identity theft. If they supply an IRS administered TIN, then are they working as 1099 contractors (and filing and paying quarterlies along with both sides of FICA and Mediscare)?
When they pack dozens into a house designed for a family of four, they are stressing the sewers and violating deed restrictions. With high density crowding in homes, their cost per person in the form of property tax (either direct or through rents) is relatively small. Then they wire the money out of the country that is money not spent on sales taxes, investment income taxes et al.
Probably the only taxes they are paying is in alcohol and perhaps gasoline taxes. And I doubt that much money is being raised by these taxes to cover each of their children being "educated" at the average cost of $12k per year in the government day care centers.
You think you have it bad. DC is overrun with people from Ethiopia.
She means when they bottle of cheap booze - they pay the liquor tax.
The Social Security administration has a big account of SS taxes paid that do not match anyone. The new technology suggested will ping a proffured SS# against a data base much like credit card approval works. This will flag numbers that are fraudulent or reported missing. It will infringe on your privacy just about as much as presenting your Master Card does. It will help catch criminals for deportation for those who like that idea.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was the case. Particularly on the part of employers. If so, it should be dealt with apart from the employment of illegals issue.
I don't know how illegals handle the ss# issue in terms of real estate ownership, bank accounts, and business ownership. An illegal once working here legally would have a number. There are cirstances a non-citizen unable to work here can get an ss#, perhaps real estate ownership is one of them. If no one is checking, it would be safe to use them I suppose. How individuals with number/name mismatches aren't surfaced, I don't know.
Since the Federal government is not enforcing the immigration laws the states should not be responsible for punishing the criminals that they allow into the US. The Feds should have to construct special prisons to punish illegal alien criminals. The citizens of the states would be relieved of a huge burden placed on them by federal indifference, incompetence, or general inaction.
No time to look them up new, but they do and becoome both criminal and onerous for intentional, repeat offenders. No one is even attempting enforcement.
When you open a bank account, your identity/ss# is matched within 30 days, through an IRS database I believe which would be perfectly appropriate to put to this use.
If you buy a firearm, your identity, among other things, is verified by SS# generally within 24 hours.
The technology is there, there's been no will to enforce the laws.
Yes, but the anti-illegal immigrant crowd is quite large, Linda.
Has Miss Chavez joined the deaf, dumb, blind AND dark-side?
So why does the House feel obliged to add this to their proposed legislation? This debate is reminding so much of the one before SOX, that the results can't be good I fear.
What I would like to see is legislation not aimed at business but at state and local governments prohibiting them from providing tax-funded services to illegals -- or in the event of an emergency requiring immediate deportation after the service is rendered.
The big demonstrations against the proposed legislation -- and it was against the mild ones in the Senate, not the tough stuff in the House -- happened in L.A. and Chicago. This leads me to think that a main, if not the main, cause of the problem is local (socialist) government.
I couldn't find anything in Google about any Texas protests, btw, although there was a medium-sized one in Phoenix.
I think that the correct statement is that "employers have no desire to confirm the authenticity of documents". Though there are phone numbers that employers can call to see how many people are claiming a particular SSN, and the IRS is not slack in kicking back bogus W forms, what we have is a convergence of two things, there is "plausible deniability" on the employer as long as he gets either a document from column 'A' or a document from column 'B' and column 'C'. Photocopiers are not known for truly faithful reproductions of poorly manufactured documents. The other thing is that the government hasn't ever conducted an audit on anyone (other than the sub-contractors of Walmart), so we have a case of "if a tree falls in a forest...".
The "Real ID" part is scary in the "Mark of the Beast" sort of way. Under benign management we allegedly have nothing to fear. But look how the driver's license has been abused because in theory most people (that you would want to conduct business with) have one. We know how easy it is to craft one, yet the DL is the magic key to get past most gates. You mention the SS card which used to have written on the back "Not to be used for identification". And the SS is used precisely for identification. So now you and others want yet another reproducable ID.
If there was a way to guarentee that document fraud would cease then you would be a liar or we should contact the Vatican because that would be a miracle.
The chief problem with Real ID is that it gives the false illusion that the bearer is who they claim to be. If the ID is self-contained ID, then it can be hacked and it essentially worthless yet people will consider it to be the equivalent of the Word of God. Very bad combination of things if you are the good guy.
If the Real ID requires a "trusted authority" in the same style as Public Key encryption (like in your last internet purchase), then everything is great until the terrorist cooks off that EMP bomb, or Hillary gets her minions in office and some bribable crook can "delete" you for not towing the company line.
Just ask the survivors of Nazi germany what they thought of mandatory government ID.
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