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To: ELS; Pyro7480; murphE; Salvation; Aquinasfan; Campion; NYer; ninenot; Frank Sheed; dsc; ...

ping 'cause I'd like your opinion on the question in #191


192 posted on 03/30/2006 6:00:31 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Are Catholics obliged to try to protect the lives of unemployed, by force if necessary? (You answer that.)

That's a tough question. Offhand, I would say no, they're not obliged to take what essentially would be heroic measures, but such heroic measures (even conducted in secret) would be noble and righteous. It would be like the French Resistance.

But I am interested in reading the input of others on this.

194 posted on 03/30/2006 6:17:39 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Here's an intresting hypothetical: How about if the law permitted (but did not require) the killing of the unemployed. This hypothetical law is (like Roe vs Wade) merely permissive.

Can the State legitimately authorize the killing of the unemployed?

Can the State legitimately discriminate against the unemployed by withdrawing from them the protection which is given to all other human beings?

Are Catholics in government obliged to try to use the power of the State to protect the the lives of the unemployed?

Are Catholics obliged to try to protect the lives of unemployed, by force if necessary? (You answer that.)


IMO, the answer to the above would depend upon the verbiage of the law. As Catholics, we are obligated to support the social teachings of the Church and the fundamental principles of the dignity of the human person, the common good, subsidiarity, and solidarity. The Catechism gives some good guidance on our role in regards to support/dissent from the state:

PARTICIPATION IN SOCIAL LIFE

I. Authority

1897 "Human society can be neither well-ordered nor prosperous unless it has some people invested with legitimate authority to preserve its institutions and to devote themselves as far as is necessary to work and care for the good of all."

By "authority" one means the quality by virtue of which persons or institutions make laws and give orders to men and expect obedience from them.

1898 Every human community needs an authority to govern it. The foundation of such authority lies in human nature. It is necessary for the unity of the state. Its role is to ensure as far as possible the common good of the society.

1899 The authority required by the moral order derives from God: "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment."

1900 The duty of obedience requires all to give due honor to authority and to treat those who are charged to exercise it with respect, and, insofar as it is deserved, with gratitude and good-will.

Pope St. Clement of Rome provides the Church's most ancient prayer for political authorities:18 "Grant to them, Lord, health, peace, concord, and stability, so that they may exercise without offense the sovereignty that you have given them. Master, heavenly King of the ages, you give glory, honor, and power over the things of earth to the sons of men. Direct, Lord, their counsel, following what is pleasing and acceptable in your sight, so that by exercising with devotion and in peace and gentleness the power that you have given to them, they may find favor with you."

1901 If authority belongs to the order established by God, "the choice of the political regime and the appointment of rulers are left to the free decision of the citizens." The diversity of political regimes is morally acceptable, provided they serve the legitimate good of the communities that adopt them. Regimes whose nature is contrary to the natural law, to the public order, and to the fundamental rights of persons cannot achieve the common good of the nations on which they have been imposed.

1902 Authority does not derive its moral legitimacy from itself. It must not behave in a despotic manner, but must act for the common good as a "moral force based on freedom and a sense of responsibility":

A human law has the character of law to the extent that it accords with right reason, and thus derives from the eternal law. Insofar as it falls short of right reason it is said to be an unjust law, and thus has not so much the nature of law as of a kind of violence.

1903 Authority is exercised legitimately only when it seeks the common good of the group concerned and if it employs morally licit means to attain it. If rulers were to enact unjust laws or take measures contrary to the moral order, such arrangements would not be binding in conscience. In such a case, "authority breaks down completely and results in shameful abuse."

1904 "It is preferable that each power be balanced by other powers and by other spheres of responsibility which keep it within proper bounds. This is the principle of the 'rule of law,' in which the law is sovereign and not the arbitrary will of men."

Such a law that you propose would clearly be a violation of all four social principles. We, as Catholics, could not support such a law. I think we would be obliged to not support that law and to work to have it changed. In the event of needing to protect human life, I think we would be obliged to do what was necessary to prevent enforcement of such a law...including placing our own selves at personal risk.

Having said that, the law you mention hypothetically and the illegal alien law are two different issues completely. While it would be entirely appropriate and necessary to control our borders and immigration requirements (as long as those immigration requirements don't violate the social teaching), it would be inappropriate, for example, to kill illegal aliens found in our territory.

198 posted on 03/30/2006 7:42:56 AM PST by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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