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To: Reagan Man
However, Mat Staver, founder, president and general counsel of the Liberty Counsel, noted that since Samuel Alito replaced Sandra Day O'Connor on the U.S. Supreme Court, he's noticed a growing reluctance on the ACLU's part to attempt appeals to the highest court in the land. "Maybe they realize the Supreme Court isn't their social engineering friend anymore," Staver said.

It's a little early to be making that claim.

Donohue said he has discovered why the ACLU files so many lawsuits to try and force communities to take down nativity scenes. "It's because there aren't three wise men and a virgin in the entire ACLU."

Now that is funny.

Overall I am encouraged to see that these groups are pausing to consider the weakness of some of their arguments. You don't hear the other side starting off with "I just want to say how much I love and care for Christians and other morality oriented people..." If you start off professing your great love for homosexuals you have lost the argument before you even make it. Besides, if you love the sinner but not the sin then you do not profess love while defining the person by their sinful deed. You love people, not homosexuals, murderers, adulters, child rapists, liars, cheaters, etc... It's just out of step to profess love for a group based on their behavior and then think you are going to be able to win an argument against their behavior. "I love liars but I think lying is wrong" is just weird and contradictory. That's essentially what our side has been saying for a long time. Imagine, "I love rapists but I think rape is wrong."

The "you hate us" argument from the other side is a brilliant ploy to distract us from the issue at hand. Thus far it has worked like a charm. But true love means, as wonderfully stated in the article, that you have the persons best interests at heart, and that you speak the truth to them. Indifference to the fate of the sinner is not love. And love without truth is not real love. But bottom line, this is not an issue of love and hate -- nice try. Nor is it a civil rights issue. It's not even solely a religious issue. It's an issue about truth, nature, and morality. Refusing to pretend things are equal that are fundamentally and obviously not equal is not discrimination; it's critical thinking skills.

53 posted on 03/28/2006 10:17:57 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
It's just out of step to profess love for a group based on their behavior and then think you are going to be able to win an argument against their behavior. "I love liars but I think lying is wrong" is just weird and contradictory. That's essentially what our side has been saying for a long time. Imagine, "I love rapists but I think rape is wrong." The "you hate us" argument from the other side is a brilliant ploy to distract us from the issue at hand. Thus far it has worked like a charm. But true love means, as wonderfully stated in the article, that you have the persons best interests at heart, and that you speak the truth to them. Indifference to the fate of the sinner is not love. And love without truth is not real love. But bottom line, this is not an issue of love and hate -- nice try. Nor is it a civil rights issue. It's not even solely a religious issue. It's an issue about truth, nature, and morality. Refusing to pretend things are equal that are fundamentally and obviously not equal is not discrimination; it's critical thinking skills.

Great points.

85 posted on 03/28/2006 10:50:53 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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