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The Most User Friendly Fighter Bomber Ever Built
Strategy Page ^ | March 28, 2006

Posted on 03/28/2006 8:39:34 AM PST by spetznaz

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To: Professional Engineer

LOL! Somehow, I just can't envision that tub doing close combat with an F-22.


41 posted on 03/28/2006 10:28:19 AM PST by colorado tanker (We need more "chicken-bleep Democrats" in the Senate!)
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To: Cliff Dweller
"au natural"....
Mile high club???? LOL!
42 posted on 03/28/2006 10:28:32 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: colorado tanker

This could be a match. Heh heh heh

http://home.comcast.net/~unixgeezer/bducomp.WMV


43 posted on 03/28/2006 10:51:43 AM PST by Professional Engineer (Don't blame me, I voted for Hatch.)
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To: spetznaz
Yep! That brings back great memories from my childhood.

Last summer perusing my local public library I found a Thunderbirds DVD. The sound was awful but it looked great on my 55" big screen. What a hoot!

44 posted on 03/28/2006 11:28:17 AM PST by manwiththehands (Islam is as Islam does. Islam is as Islam allows.)
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To: rightwingextremist1776
Heck, you should see what they go through when they try to use the urinals on a KC-130.......

Back in the 1960s when I flew on C-130s, the C-130s had two toilets high in the tail. One had to "ascend the throne" to get to them. They each had a waist-high canvas shield. One sitting on the throne could look down upon the masses -- all staring up at her (or him).

45 posted on 03/28/2006 11:37:46 AM PST by JoeGar
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To: Cliff Dweller

Actually, A6 drill was to blow the canopy if you had time, then eject. If you were in a hurry (or the canopy didn't blow) then you went through it as Plan B.

The movie Flight of the Intruder shows a through-canopy ejection (the movie's kind of hokey, but not as bad as Hollyweird wanted to make it... they wanted the pilots to be countercultural dopers). The script had a normal sequence but when he learned about the thru-canopy ejection, the director got all excited, and that's what wound up on the screen.

I am deeply suspicious of this story for several reasons. #1 Strategypage is an F-6 source. It's basically a bunch of armchair experts and wargamers pontificating. #2 if I were designing a strike aircraft with that gooseneck, I'm pretty sure I would put stuff that moves the mission along (like fuel, which this jet needs in vast quantity, and ECM gear, which keeps that fuel from becoming a white-hot fireball with the unhappy pilots in the white bit) much higher in priority than comfort items.

US military requires positive pressure O2 above 40k feet and a pressure suit above 50k. Without the pressure suit you'd bend. Details (needs your high school physics, math and chemistry):

http://www.brooks.af.mil/af/files/fsguide/HTML/Chapter_02.html

US military aircraft have had pressurised cabins for a long time. If your pressurization is not working, you can fly on O2 alone but AFI's limit you to 25k feet.

Pressure suits are very bulky and uncormfortable, and surprisingly hard to DO anything in. Aircraft that are customarily flown in pressure suits (think U-2) require a different design of knobs and switches from, say, a helicopter where there's just a thin Nomex glove on your hand.

A rapid decompression at very high altitude is problematical. A while back, a civilian ferry pilot delivering an F-100 for conversion to drone thought it would be fun to see how high a Hun can go. It went to over 50k -- and blew the cabin seal. The pilot dived it for thicker air, and he felt some distress which quickly eased. On landing he went to his hotel room. In the morning, he was dead of, IIRC, an embolism. (he was middle aged and not in fighter-pilot shape any more).

Anyway, I think the report of the comfort pallet is a bit of nonsense. "You have the plane, comrade, I'm going back to mess with the Easy-Bake oven!" Never happen.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


46 posted on 03/28/2006 1:31:51 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: spetznaz

Flying cars, eh?

There have actually been two certified (yes, full CAR 3 certification) in the USA, Molt Taylor's and Robert Fulton's. Indeed, Fulton's son still has the Type Certificate and will build you one for around the price of a Cirrus.

There are a bunch of experimental ones that never flew (Moller's ongoing project that has been promised to fly "next year" every year since 1968 is one of them). But here's a flying motorcycle that's flying, and motorcycling, now:

http://www.thebutterflyllc.com/sscycle/gallery.htm

As you see, it biases towards the aircraft side (every "flying car" has to lean one way or the other) but it's OK for keeping in a garage and riding to the airport.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


47 posted on 03/28/2006 1:39:18 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Cliff Dweller
IIRC, around 1990 an F-15 crashed and the pilot was killed as he couldn't eject because the canopy jammed. The pilot was from VP Dan Quayle's district. Quayle got the ball rolling and the industry was directed to retrofit all fighter aircraft that depended on ejecting the canopy first to have through canopy ejection capability.
48 posted on 03/28/2006 1:59:17 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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"Fly naked" placemarker


49 posted on 03/28/2006 3:22:47 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Red meat, we were meant to eat it - Meat and Livestock Australia TV ad campaign)
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To: spetznaz
What about the SU-47 and the MiG 1.44 projects. Or J-xx (China, supposedly part of MiG 1.55)
50 posted on 03/28/2006 3:35:21 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. It is a nice-looking aircraft, at least from the side.


51 posted on 03/28/2006 9:35:53 PM PST by zot (GWB -- four more years!)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Actually, A6 drill was to blow the canopy if you had time, then eject. If you were in a hurry (or the canopy didn't blow) then you went through it as Plan B.

Highest I've even been was 45k, yes positive pressure breathing in an A6. As far as ejection, I can tell you our procedures rarely included jettisoning the canopy due to the possibility that it could jam partway... (even though NATOPS recommended jettison and slow speed (~200 knots)).

Chances were that you wouldn't have time for a controlled ejection under most circumstances, problems during cat shot, low level ingress/egress, weapons delivery, missile evasion, carrier landing gone wrong, etc. Therefore, Plan B (as you put it) was our primary focus 99.999 percent of the time.

52 posted on 03/29/2006 4:24:26 AM PST by Cliff Dweller (No such thing as a threat... just targets)
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To: spetznaz
I didn't know you could make something so pretty out of cast iron.
53 posted on 03/29/2006 4:26:27 AM PST by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: spetznaz

Spacious enough for a two man crew or one russian woman.


54 posted on 03/29/2006 4:32:29 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: Criminal Number 18F
SOP in the Intruder was to punch out through the canopy, which wasn't always successful. Rarely was it blown.

Lt. Keith Gallagher's Story
Irish Luck - Surviving Partial Ejection from A-6 Aircraft

55 posted on 03/29/2006 8:04:44 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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