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To: Hermann the Cherusker
You can't be a very faithful Catholic and irregularly attend Mass. Its a contradiction in terms.

While I can go with you to a point on that one, Fr. Malinowski seemed pretty convinced that the Schindlers were faithful Catholics. Perhaps they confessed their sin(s) to him, and renewed their faith. That wouldn't be a contradiction, and it happens. God forgives a repentant person.

My post with a portion of your earlier post in quotations:

Also, I don't know where you've gotten this idea that Terri "clearly used birth control prior to her massive weight loss which ended her normal fertility cycles". Unless you have a source you can cite for that, I think you are just speculating.

Your response:

Married for five years with normal signs of fertility and no pregnancy for a young woman is a pretty good source. You can call it speculation. I'll note it as reality.

You must have misunderstood why I questioned your earlier post. In it you said that Terri "clearly used birth control prior to her massive weight loss which ended her normal fertility cycles". Terri's massive weight loss occurred before she began dating. Michael was her first date, her first kiss, and her first boyfriend. She was an innocent young lady. Why would she possibly take birth control pills before she even began dating? You're making no sense. Maybe you meant to write something different?

While on the topic, to your assertion as proof that she did use birth control pills, I say you must not realize that Terri was seeing a gynecologist to find out why she wasn't having success getting pregnant without using birth control. People do have fertility problems you know, and it is not always related to birth control. I have a number of friends who have had difficulty conceiving, and I know that for two of them, they never used birth control of any type. Surely you are aware of Sarah and Abraham's problem (biblical reference). I think it is perfectly logical to seek the advice of a specialist if you do not use birth control and do not get pregnant. Again, your assertion is speculation. You can call it reality if you want.

120 posted on 03/29/2006 2:33:20 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
In it you said that Terri "clearly used birth control prior to her massive weight loss which ended her normal fertility cycles". Terri's massive weight loss occurred before she began dating.

From what I've read she went from 200 to 150 before meeting Schiavo, and then 150 to 110 while with him. When she hit 110, she stopped menstruating according to the articles.

While on the topic, to your assertion as proof that she did use birth control pills, I say you must not realize that Terri was seeing a gynecologist to find out why she wasn't having success getting pregnant without using birth control. People do have fertility problems you know, and it is not always related to birth control.

I never said birth control pills.

Yes, I know people have fertility problems, but hers only occurred about 5 years into her marriage after her weight fell drastically to 110. You have to admit based on the normal actions of faithless Catholics such as the Schiavo's (who rarely went to Mass at this time), that 98% of them are using artificial birth control as well. This is quite well established by numerous large surveys. The chances are overwhelming that the Schiavo's weren't devout Catholics following the teaching of the Church on birth control, but simultaneously failing to go to Mass.

There is no need to canonize Terri or her parents, and certainly not Michael to wade through their subsequent issues. They were ordinary sinners, and its tiresome to here about their supposed devotion as a part of this story, because it clearly wasn't there until they decided to drag the Church into their family feud.

132 posted on 03/29/2006 8:08:17 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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