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Is it time for a constitutional convention called by the people re: illegal immigration?

Posted on 03/27/2006 5:46:36 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Edited on 03/27/2006 8:53:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Jim Robinson
Can you say wandering in a liberal/socialist wilderness for the next forty years?

And Dubya's NWO is different how?

101 posted on 03/27/2006 6:32:10 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Enforcement of existing laws is all that's needed. Unfortuntely, to accomplish that the voters will have to punish the people who aren't doing what they were elected to do. Whether the voters have the will and tenacity to do their job is the real question. They keep re-electing the same bought-and-paid-for hacks over and over and over. Isn't doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results the definition of insanity?


102 posted on 03/27/2006 6:33:00 PM PST by Bernard Marx (Fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but the wise are full of doubts.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Agreed—Turning on the Republicans is definitely not an option, as that merely gives control back to the Democrats. If you think we've got it bad now, just think back to the 70's. (shudder)

We could potentially start an immigration party, or a "Western Cultural Preservation" party, if you will, but I don't forsee it being of much use until there's enough of a momentum against immigration to offset the monetary corruption prevalent in the other two parties...

103 posted on 03/27/2006 6:33:32 PM PST by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: TASMANIANRED

If there was a constitutional convention can you imagine the moonbats that would come out from under rocks and demand that they not only attend BUT dominate. Soros money also would probably also be used to insure we would be saddled with a European system.


104 posted on 03/27/2006 6:35:04 PM PST by Reily
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To: Jim Robinson
I sincerely doubt that many people contact their representatives and senators to express their opinions, wishes. That would be a good first step...if a large percentage of the population would send in 2 pennies with a note "My two cents" and tell them what they wanted done would draw attention. AND remind them they serve at OUR pleasure (supposedly). If we had the fortitude to actually fire them when they don't follow our wishes.
105 posted on 03/27/2006 6:35:28 PM PST by momf (Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all . T Roosevelt)
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To: La Enchiladita

I think we need a way for citizens to report illegal crimes, including workplaces who are not hiring Americans. A hotline that is responsive.


106 posted on 03/27/2006 6:36:09 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: detsaoT
* Declare illegal immigrants as "trespassers" and arrest them when they congregate

* TAX the hell out of international wire transfers. There is NO reason NOT to do this, as this is THE reason most of these "migrant workers" are here ANYWAY—Make money off of the rich gringos and wire it south to "mi familia"

* Aggresively prosecute housing code violations, and ensure that neighborhoods and cities don't become barrios

On the first one, you will have due-process issues. On the second one, you will have discrimination problems if you restrict this tax to Hispanics, so everyone will have to suffer for the crimes of a few. On the third one, you have the same issue as the second one. Some judge will toss them out as 'profiling'.

107 posted on 03/27/2006 6:36:26 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache; If mere words can anger you, that means you can be controlled by much less effort.)
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To: Jim Robinson

A Constitutional Convention is a bad idea. As far as I am aware, you cannot restrict the scope of the proposed amendments it can consider. It might come up with some good solutions to the illegal immigration problem, but you'll also get changes no one on this board would like. Bank on it.


108 posted on 03/27/2006 6:36:31 PM PST by jude24 ("The Church is a harlot, but she is my mother." - St. Augustine)
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To: Jim Robinson
As already indicated, above, there is significant difficulty inherent in convening a Constitutional Convention. Simply put, this Convention can do ANYTHING, not limited to any particular topic, and there is no obvious or practical way to prevent a plethora of single-issue agendists from hijacking our precious Constitution into oblivion.

I took a solemn oath upon enlisting into the Air Force -- lo these many years ago -- to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I shed the blue suit long since but I have NEVER relinquished this oath. It guides me explicitly when I vote and informs whatever political positions or actions I take.

Enforce the laws we already have. Dispose of the 'anchor babies' concept, regardless of the parents' country of origin. REQUIRE valid picture ID for voting. Beyond that, hold out for better Representatives, Senators and Judges / Justices who put America first. Otherwise, throw the bums out.

Meaningful 'term limits' are only the next election away ...
109 posted on 03/27/2006 6:36:35 PM PST by 21stCenturion ("It's the Judges, Stupid !")
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To: Jim Robinson

How about a couple of million people get together, and make citizen arrests of illegals. If they cannot prove they are citizens, we lease buses, and drive them to the border. This may not rid us of the illegals, but it will get some attention, and galvanize support for the cause. This is beyond the "ballot" stage, and has now reached the "tea in the harbor" stage.


110 posted on 03/27/2006 6:36:35 PM PST by jeremiah (How much did we get for that rope?)
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To: kingu
The only convention that needs to be implemented is one where we kick out every last loser who won't listen to the people who put them into office.

Agreed. Too bad it won't happen.

111 posted on 03/27/2006 6:37:24 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
consistent policy of voting against any and every officeholder who devalues American citizenship, starting with our contemptible, feckless U.S. Senate.

Well said.

112 posted on 03/27/2006 6:37:25 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: spectre
If Arkansas (not exactly a shining example of prudence in selecting its Governor) welcomes illegals, why don't you move to Texas? Or Oklahoma? Or better yet, Mississippi?

There are quite a few States in that region that are politically more realistic than Arkansas, aren't there? :)

113 posted on 03/27/2006 6:37:36 PM PST by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: Jim Robinson
I had a dream that thousands and thousands of Americans from all our states met on the boarder and held hands in a line that stretches from Texas to California..with American flags flying and all of us guarding our own border
I had a dream.
114 posted on 03/27/2006 6:37:44 PM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: mhking

Thanks for the heads up- I wasn'r aware of what GA was/is doing.
Maybe we can get SC on the ball as well.
Our Gov is a pretty sharp guy.


115 posted on 03/27/2006 6:37:46 PM PST by visualops (www.visualops.com)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Who would you rather see RIGHT now as President, may I ask?


116 posted on 03/27/2006 6:38:30 PM PST by pissant
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To: Willie Green
"And Dubya's NWO is different how?"

Roberts, Alito, and hundreds of other federal judgeships. A judge is forever and forever is a long time.

117 posted on 03/27/2006 6:38:30 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
you cannot call a constitutional convention and limit it to one topic. everything would be on the table and there is no telling what we would end up with.
118 posted on 03/27/2006 6:39:05 PM PST by TWfromTEXAS
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To: Jim Robinson
When I see illegal aliens parading, protesting and flauting American laws hoisting the Mexican flag in our faces I think I'm living in a country with out laws, with out representation and with out a Constitution that generations of brave Americans fought and sacrificed their lives to defend and protect.

The sacred oath of office that each elected official recites is nothing but meaningless blather.

We entrusted our representatives and mostly our President to dutifully honor and uphold the rule of law. It appears our trust is foolish, misguided and totally not welcome. They will do whatever, whenever and however they can to protect their own political interests and careers.

Congress, the Office of the President and the Judiciary have opened the floodgates against the desires of the majority of American citizens and I do not see our representatives other than a few dedicated men and women willing to stem the relentless tide of illegal immigration. They are ridiculed and impugned by their own political parties.

I have not answered your guestion and only have written of deep despair and confusion. I am very saddened that American Citizens have been thrust into this turbulent cesspool wilfully created by our own representatives.

119 posted on 03/27/2006 6:40:01 PM PST by harpo11 (US Goverrnment, by the illegal alien, for the illegal alien and of the illegal alien& screw citizens)
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To: Jim Robinson
All that is required is that 218 representatives and 51 Senators who are not Democrats or Republicans be elected, and everything will change.

In fact, electing 100-125 unaffiliated Members would probably do the trick. The Constitution is as good as human devising can make it, and does not require any changes to end illegal immigration.

Instead of pea-brains "running for President" (as if), what is required is a national organization dedicated to electing Members of Congress. It is going to take years to overthrow the government legally, at the ballot box, but now no one is even trying.

120 posted on 03/27/2006 6:41:15 PM PST by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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