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Senate Panel Approves Immigration Bill
AP on Yahoo ^ | 3/27/06 | David Espo - ap

Posted on 03/27/2006 4:08:50 PM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - The Senate Judiciary Committee approved election-year immigration legislation Monday that clears the way for millions of undocumented workers to seek U.S. citizenship without having to first leave the country.

After days of street demonstrations that stretched from California to the gounds of the U.S. Capitol, the committee also voted to strip out proposed criminal penalties for residents found to be in this country illegally.

The panel's vote cleared the way for the full Senate to begin debate Tuesday on the emotional immigration issue.

"All Americans wanted fairness and they got it this evening," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), the Massachusetts Democrat who played a pivotal role in drafting the legislation, approved 12-6.

Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., voted for the bill but signaled that some of the provisions could well be changed by the full Senate.

In general, the bill is designed to strengtehn border patrol, create new opportunities for so-called guest workers and determine the legal future of the estimated 11 million immigrants living in the United States illegally.

At several critical popints, committee Democrats were united while Republicans splintered. In general, GOP Sens. Lindsay Graham of South Carolina, Sam Brownback of Kansas and Mike DeWine of Ohio, who is seeking re-election this fall, sided with Democrats.

That gave Democrats a majority that allowed them to shape the bill to their liking.


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To: Mo1

Yes, she actually asked that question, it was right after that movie came out.


661 posted on 03/27/2006 8:34:24 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: JeffAtlanta
No it wasn't. The House actually tried to do something. It might not get passed but they weren't half-hearted or face-saving.

I'm not talking about the House. I know what the House passed. I'm talking about the whole of Congress, and it appears as though there is a conflict between the two, and when that occurs, they have to meet jointly to resolve disagreements, which results in a watered down, half-hearted, face-saving bill.

Don't talk to me about grasping the larger issue, or bigger straw. I know how these things work.

662 posted on 03/27/2006 8:34:30 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
You and Congress don't seem to grasp the concept that illegal immigration shouldn't be a partisan issue.

Who has made it a partisan issue? If "Republicans" aren't going to actually represent the values of those that voted them into office, then why should they be elected? Having an (R) next to their name is not enough for me.

663 posted on 03/27/2006 8:34:34 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: hedgetrimmer

Let's have a W-4 day on April 10th. That the day all U.S. citizens that are employees change their Federal and State tax withholding to 'exempt' and the money stops flowing until our concerns are redressed by this cowardly government.


664 posted on 03/27/2006 8:34:55 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy (It's a fight to the death with Democrats.)
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To: muawiyah
I've seen their work when my sister had a house built by Ryan homes 10 years ago in Maryland. Their work was not top notch then and it isn't now. What they will do is drive out anyone with skill at brick laying by depressing wages.

Of course, once they start making some money, they can afford to have their wives and children smuggled into Pa. and then I get to pay for their schooling and medical care. Plus WIC, LIEAP, section 8, medicade, food stamps and on and on.

665 posted on 03/27/2006 8:34:56 PM PST by metalurgist (Death to the democrats! They're almost the same as communists, they just move a little slower.)
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To: aureliusk

Good thing Ronald Reagan didn't do anything like that.


666 posted on 03/27/2006 8:35:03 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: onyx
Today, you should be able to spot them 10 threads away.

It does seem that way today.

667 posted on 03/27/2006 8:35:52 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I have one concern that keeps me from getting hysterical over illegals and that is National Security.

The current crop of Republicans are basically just Democrat-Lite on all issues including national security.

668 posted on 03/27/2006 8:36:30 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Indy Pendance

She's in for a big shocker when she realizes that what's in the movies aren't real .. LOL!


669 posted on 03/27/2006 8:36:36 PM PST by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: JeffAtlanta
Who has made it a partisan issue? If "Republicans" aren't going to actually represent the values of those that voted them into office, then why should they be elected? Having an (R) next to their name is not enough for me.

If you want to vote for the slimiest Democrat, go for it.

670 posted on 03/27/2006 8:37:16 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: All

A Frightening Analysis

We all know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration — both legal and illegal — was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: First to destroy America, "Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States a 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved! Not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'"

Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity! Unity is what it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic Games.

A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell.

"E. Pluribus Unum" — From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'x! xenophobes' halt discussion and debate."

"Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause.

A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America — take note of California and other states — to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy are deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.


671 posted on 03/27/2006 8:37:19 PM PST by nikola
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Yes, I understand, but it would follow that the flip side of the current law is that if you are illegal, then you should be sent back.
I also understand that all parties concerned here are looking for shortcuts and votes!
When I think of what it took me to be a proud US citizen in terms of resources (money, work, even study), it sickens me to think that now the governement would just hand those papers out like welfare checks!


672 posted on 03/27/2006 8:37:46 PM PST by elpinta (Never thought I would live in a Socialist country... but is getting close...)
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To: onyx
Today, you should be able to spot them 10 threads away.

Just like on days like this it so easy to spot Bushbots and Republican party cheerleaders 10 threads away.

673 posted on 03/27/2006 8:38:01 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: swampfox98; Indy Pendance
He and Vincente Fox have planned every move in order to get Mexico to colonize our land and over power the conservative vote.

I know what you mean, man.

I have a quote and a link saved someplace. It's a quote of Jorge Bush as he's standing with Vicente Fox. It's right before a press conference. He was doing a microphone test.

You can hear him say, I've outlawed the United States. Sovereignty ends in 5 minutes.

Very disturbing.

Know what I mean? :|

674 posted on 03/27/2006 8:39:22 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: freedumb2003

Respect is earned. You will never earn my respect.


675 posted on 03/27/2006 8:41:16 PM PST by moehoward
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To: BigSkyFreeper
If you want to vote for the slimiest Democrat, go for it.

Who said I would vote for a demcrat?

In any event, do you not think that a politician that lies during his campaign is "slimy"?

676 posted on 03/27/2006 8:41:17 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: BigSkyFreeper
I predict Frist will substitute the Committee Bill for his.

Doubt it. Frist's bill will be filibustered by Reid

I see you have confidence that Frist will stand by his bill. So be it. But either way, you agree with me that Frist's bill won't pass the Senate.

677 posted on 03/27/2006 8:42:50 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: moehoward; freedumb2003

We need more wasting time around here.


678 posted on 03/27/2006 8:43:47 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: JeffAtlanta

I'm sure it is since we're not the ones foaming at the mouth. This bill was voted out of the judiciary --- several steps before it goes to POTUS. (Gee, I thought you knew that)!

I am fully in favor of HR 4437, but I am doing something to about it --- I am urging my state's congress persons to VOTE for it.

679 posted on 03/27/2006 8:44:21 PM PST by onyx (Elections are in November, 06 ---- 08 can wait!)
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To: Indy Pendance

whatever


680 posted on 03/27/2006 8:45:02 PM PST by moehoward
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