Posted on 03/27/2006 8:54:35 AM PST by forty_years
The Senate is now considering legislation that would impose controls on the unprecedented flood of illegal immigrants pouring into the United States. I urge readers to write to their senators and ask them to put a stop to illegal immigration.
There are now 11 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. They are avoiding taxes, getting free health care (in emergency rooms), getting free education, being protected by law enforcement, and availing themselves of other social services -- and letting the American taxpayer foot the bill. Illegals are "driving municipal budgets deep into the red."
The world has 6 billion people. The U.S. has 300 million. There's not room for everyone. While it is true that some illegals do the work that some citizens are unwilling to do, the short-term gains will mean the long-term end to American prosperity and values (like democracy).
Write to your senators now. Tell them to support legislation that would:
Note that I fully support legal immigration. My grandparents on both my mother and father’s sides immigrated to the U.S., but did so legally.
$ is all that will get these people's attention.
This is what President Bush said on March 25, 2006
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060325.html
"Comprehensive immigration reform begins with securing our borders."
"To keep the promise of America, we must enforce the laws of America."
"One thing the temporary worker program would not do is provide
amnesty to those who are in our country illegally."
Look for the Impeach Bush t-shirt in this post
by Ladycalif
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1603387/posts?page=3#3
This sets the stage for the Dim's to be defeated in
even more 2006 and 2008 elections!
Any REAL Conservative knows the success
of the 2006 and 2008 elections
is electing those who secure our borders
and enforce the law of the land!
President Bush has set the example and
ensured a sweep in '06 and '08!
Only the looney left and the wrong rino's
would support illegal immigration
and amnesty for those who are in our country illegally!
Time for the real conservatives on FR,
be it Republicans, Independents or Democrats
(like Zell Miller and John O'Neill) to band together
and oust the looney left and RINO's
You can see it right now on C-SPAN 1 TV.
If your computer can handle live feeds, you should also be able to see it through the internet by going to:
Yes, if ILLEGALS want prosperity let them do what our ancestors did, revolt and force a regime change(and this time make it a republic, not a dictatorship)that will give them freedom and a capitilistic economy. Mexico, for one, has tremendous resources that are being used to enrich a few and leave the rest devestated. This is THEIR problem not OURS. Let them solve it and stay the hell out of our country unless they go through the legal process required to get here.
Sorry for the double post, I thought I hit the button once but apparently not!
I do not buy the assertion that these illegal immigrants are doing jobs that Americans will not do. I also believe it to be foolishness that they contribute to our economy.
Addressing the first point: American’s clearly won’t do them for the wages that illegal immigrants will. If there were not the downward pressure on wages, the jobs would pay more and Americans would do them.
As for the second point: Insurance (at least Blue Cross of Idaho), charges 1100.00 per month for a family of four. Since these low end workers are making at best, minimum wage, they do not earn enough to pay their medical (which costs to about $7 an hour for a 40 hour week).
If they have kids in school, that’s at least $5000 each for the kids schooling. The Taxpayer has to pick up this cost…
So we get cheap fruits and veggies, but the taxpayer pays most of the “real” cost of the labor in added taxes. How is that a good deal for Americans? How are they contributing exactly? Do you guys think were idiots?
The only “guest worker” program that makes any sense is to allow only male workers in for this kind of work (no families), and to require that the industries pay enough to pay the real cost of them being here, Including medical insurance.
I would change this to being a felony to enter illegally or the be here illegally after a period of about 6 months.
That gets around the problem of illegals claiming that they came here before the law was changed and that they shouldn't be able to be charged as felons.
The 6 month period gives those here a chance to leave without getting charged as felons. I doubt that few will take advantage of that other than those who are deported against their will, but it might be necessary to have that provision to keep the courts from throwing out felony charges against the millions of illegal immigrants we already have in the country.
* deport illegal immigrants;
Deport them, and if they fight deportation, make them inelligible for any form of Visa for a decade or so.
If they don't fight deportation during an innitial period, possibly allow them to apply for a work Visa through a guest worker program, though that program's numbers should be limited by our need for labor and should not have a guaranteed path to permenant residency.
* impose greater penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants;
Make it easy for employers to verify someone's immigration status, and enforce the current laws. Real Id should help a lot with this issue. If the current laws, when enforced, aren't sufficient to make it so that it is unquestionably a bad business practice to hire illegal immigrants, then additional penalties are needed.
* tighten security by increasing the number of qualified personnel patrolling our borders;
More people is an important part of what needs to be done. Additional survielence assets are also needed. More judges to hear cases are needed. More prosecutors to handle immigration cases are likely needed. Much greater capacity in our jails and detention centers are needed.
* erect fences along the U.S.-Mexican border; and,
There are many places where fences are necessary and additional areas where they provide a great benefit to our border patrol in doing their jobs.
In some more remote areas, they provide less real benefit and the money that would be spent building and maintaining them could be better spent on sensors, UAVs, and border patrol agents that can quickly respond when illegals are detected and tracked by the UAVs.
We need to use the best solution for the area.
* toss out the notions of "amnesty" and "guest worker" permits for illegal immigrants.
If we tell our representative that we are simply against amnesty but don't define what we mean, then we won't get our message across.
Amnesty has been used to describe granting all the illegal immirants here permenant residency or citizenship. Many are claiming to be against Amnesty simply because they don't support doing that. However, they do support a guest worker program that would allow those currently here illegally to apply without returning home.
Some, including myself would support a guest worker program that allows a limited number of visas for immigrants, but would not allow anyone currently in the country illegally to apply.
Some people would also consider that amnesty becaouse it doesn't ban those who have come here illegally from reentering in the future.
Don't just tell your representatives that you oppose amnesty, tell them what you mean by amnesty.
Very, very few of our representatives are really interested in doing what it's going to take address the problem of illegal immigration. We are going to have to work very hard to convince them that they can't just sweep this problem under the rug for another decade or two like they have in the past.
We need to stop illegal immigration, and use legal immigration to the benefit the United States.
I'm confused. Either what Bush has proposed is amnesty or it isn't.
I know little about this subject, so call me stupid, but wouldn't giving people 6 years to stay, in effect, be giving them amnesty?
I'd like to understand.
I'm watching it and I still don't understand.
Sen. Joh Kyle has been talking non stop about all the different REASONS WHY the illegal immigrants have come here.
Why does it matter why, if the point is that they are illegal?
I would appreciate well reasoned comments on my comment #30 at today's FR thread "Immigration debate set to heat up with lawmekers". I plan to put it in final form and submit to several Congresspeople this week. Being new to computers, I do not know how to make this a link from this thread. If someone likes it perhaps they could do it for me. Thanks in advance.
Regardless they're all empty figures, because they assume some meaningful enforcement comes at the end of that period, though the track record of this administration and previous ones, is that such enforcement is very unlikely to come. What is far more likely to come is more legislation, either extending the stay of guest workers (and their spouses, and their children) - or allowing them to switch to regular legal alien status if not outright to naturalized citizenship.
Viewed another way:
We keep hearing that the guest-workers/former-illegals will "be required to depart" after their guest terms are up.
But how is that different than the current situation? The illegals are already "required to depart" right now. Their terms of legal employment (zero years) expired the moment they jumped the border or their visa status. How ever will giving them another 3,6,9, or however many years to establish further ties here, including more U.S. citizen children, ever going to make them more likely to depart? Why does Bush ask us to believe his successors will be more willing to enforce the law than he has been - especially with Hispanic and other open-border lobbies even larger and stronger at that future time?
Nobody involved in the immigration system, either as agency staff or in the legislative process believes the "temporary" part of any these schemes. It is eyewash pure and simple. For Bush, it's provides a "decent interval" not unlike the '73 Vietnam agreements were intended to do for Nixon, Kissinger and co. In Bush's case he gets to say he did something (to be described as enforcement in English, and legalization in Spanish), while the ranks of illegal, legal, and quasi-legal unassimilated third world migrants here continues to grow - just as it has throughout his two terms.
And in the end, he gets to retire to the fortified ranch. Our children get to live in his Amerexico.
"Yes, if ILLEGALS want prosperity let them do what our ancestors did, revolt and force a regime change..."
IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, not in ours!!!
Amen, I did post that they should revolt in their own country and leave ours alone! Let them make it better south of the border!
If I were the governor of California, I'd have the National Guard round up the protestors aka illegals and send them back where they belong.
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