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Some Microsoft workers call for heads to roll
EETimes ^ | 3/24/2006 | Gregg Keizer

Posted on 03/26/2006 4:49:30 AM PST by twntaipan

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Trouble in Redmond?
1 posted on 03/26/2006 4:49:34 AM PST by twntaipan
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2 posted on 03/26/2006 4:55:23 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: twntaipan

Trying to decipher what goes on at Microsoft brings back memories of the old Soviet Union, where people picked through the Pravda articles trying to figure out who was in and who was out. Microsoft fits perfectly with the Soviet-style politics of Washington state.


3 posted on 03/26/2006 4:59:34 AM PST by kittymyrib
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Microsoft can't even finalize and ship a product that does little more than put their OS on par with OS X and Linux.

This is pathetic.


4 posted on 03/26/2006 5:02:46 AM PST by Terpfen (72-25: The Democrats mounted a failibuster!)
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To: twntaipan

I think the MS employees have done their job and the company heads are screwing them by delaying the release of Vista.


5 posted on 03/26/2006 5:07:45 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Terpfen
Microsoft can't even finalize and ship a product that does little more than put their OS on par with OS X and Linux.

Coming Soon: Windows Vaporware 2007 - Beta Version*

*MS doesn't have bugs. Everything is beta. Not compatible with prior Windows OS.

6 posted on 03/26/2006 5:09:54 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: Terpfen
Remember back in the 60's and 70's when the Big Three were shipping cars that sucked because, with a lock on the market, there wasn't any reason not to?

And then the Japanese cars showed up. Better quality, better gas mileage, lower cost. And Detroit's answer was the Pinto and the Vega?

Microsoft Vega. You think you hate it now, but just wait until you own it!

7 posted on 03/26/2006 5:10:23 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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As I sit here purring away with Tiger I can only laugh.

Everything I've seen of Vista is playing catch up with the last two interations of the Apple OS.

Apple has taken huge steps, first by going to a Unix based OS then by taking on Intel. They've bitten some painful bullets to update themselves from a competitive standpoint and to make themselves a superior product.

I don't ever expect Apple to be the dominant OS or even gain more than 10-15% market share. However they have set numerous benchmarks that have left MS in the dust.

It's incredibly hard though to steer a megacorporation like MS. If you're replacing the OS for 90% of the world's computers with a decade or more of legacy software you have to have as robust a successor as possible.

My biggest complaint, as a Mac user, about MS is that Office 2004 really kind of screwed us with only having Word, Excel, Power Point and Entourage (Outlook for you Windows users.). We're missing Visio, Front Page, Project, Publisher and some other components.

I still won't go Windows.


8 posted on 03/26/2006 5:35:00 AM PST by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: Terpfen
I dropped in to the blog this article mentions--pretty interesting stuff.

The best comment I read was this:

Quit crying and just get linux!

Fedora Core released version 5 on March 20. It was developed at a cost of...zero. To get it to install on your computer costs...zero.

It just works. It does not, however, do many XP standards, such as BSOD, virus and spyware.

10 posted on 03/26/2006 5:44:00 AM PST by twntaipan (John McCain: Your 15 minutes of fame were up long, long ago.)
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Just a quick Microsoft question here. I know Brian Valentine was instrumental in a push to Offshore much development work a couple of year ago. As reported in Information Week or E-Week or one of those rags, he was quoted: "Think India ! Two for the price of one!"

How much of Windows Vista Bleak Landscape was developed offshore?

The "Cheap Crap" theory.

11 posted on 03/26/2006 6:11:48 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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They should get a team together and jsut start fresh, with effecient and security minded code.

They did. It was called Windows NT. We all see how that worked out.

They they promised that Longhorn would be a complete rewrite. That didn't work out so well, and now Microsoft seems to be ready to rewrite 60% of the Longhorn (Vista) code anyway, due to major problems. And they're pulling in programmers from the XBox division and stating that it will be done in 9 months.

Vista is going to be a "Friday" car.

12 posted on 03/26/2006 7:09:43 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
For Visio, try OmniGraffle. It's even included with new pro Macs.

There are a lot of different substitutes for FrontPage. Since I write my HTML by hand, I don't know much about them.

What really hurts us with corporate users is Access. It's a lousy database but people get sent Access databases all the time and are expected to be able to use them.

I thought this was interesting from the article:

"But this is the right thing to do. In the longer view, 2, 3, 5 years from now...this will have been the right call.

When do they expect Vista's replacement to come out? In a decade?

D

13 posted on 03/26/2006 7:24:05 AM PST by daviddennis
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....looky here........http://www.ajaxwrite.com/....pretty good knife in the side of Microsoft.

Free.

easily down loadable...

LOL
14 posted on 03/26/2006 7:32:25 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death

Bad Link-ola!


15 posted on 03/26/2006 7:35:40 AM PST by Abcdefg
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To: grey_whiskers

Actually, the Indian programmers were all imported to the Microsoft campus at Redmond. Take a look at the IEBlog--one of the posts has a photograph of the IE development team. All Indian.

I wouldn't exactly blame Vista's delays on the nationality of the programmers, though. This is a management issue, pure and simple. Good programmers are easy to come by--good management is not. Jim Alchin is retiring, so it's not as if Microsoft could fire him, but Ballmer at the least really should go.


16 posted on 03/26/2006 7:47:56 AM PST by Terpfen (72-25: The Democrats mounted a failibuster!)
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To: twntaipan

No thanks. Linux still has issues with usability and support. It's certainly far beyond where it was even two years ago, but it's still not enough.

At this point the only true alternative is OS X, and I hesitate to call it an alternative given how far ahead OS X is of everything else.


17 posted on 03/26/2006 7:49:12 AM PST by Terpfen (72-25: The Democrats mounted a failibuster!)
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To: ShadowAce

MS ping...


18 posted on 03/26/2006 7:49:58 AM PST by tubebender (BIG REWARD for my missing tag line. Please advance a security deposit to enter...)
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To: twntaipan

Don't get me started about Fedora.

It just works. It is damn easy to install.

I also have Solaris 10. It is hard as hell to install. It does not work out of the box the way Fedora does.


19 posted on 03/26/2006 7:50:28 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Knitebane

"Friday car".

I like that.


20 posted on 03/26/2006 7:51:26 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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