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Suspects In Texas Trooper Shooting Wore Body Armor, Had Weapons
tylerpaper.com ^ | 03/23/2006 | KENNETH DEAN

Posted on 03/24/2006 8:15:54 AM PST by Boston Blackie

Speaking at a press conference Thursday, DPS Capt. Audra Livingston said Stone pulled over Ramon Ramos, 37, and Francisco Saucedo, 38, both of Tulsa, Okla., for a speeding violation.

"After advising the driver of the truck the reason for the stop, Trooper Stone developed probable cause to arrest the driver. During the arrest the driver pulled a 9 mm handgun from his waistband and began firing the weapon point-blank at Trooper Stone, striking him in the left shoulder," he said. "The passenger and driver then began firing multiple rounds at Trooper Stone as he lay in the barditch."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: borders; borderwar; immigrantlist; immigration; mexicancrimewave; openborderopenwound
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1 posted on 03/24/2006 8:15:57 AM PST by Boston Blackie
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To: Boston Blackie

Some more info:
http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4675032&nav=1TjD


2 posted on 03/24/2006 8:19:09 AM PST by mnehring (http://abaraxas.blogspot.com/.)
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To: Boston Blackie

"We received a call at 9:39 p.m. last night from a citizen who had been monitoring scanner traffic

Wasn't an elder couply in Arkansaw arrested recently for using scanner equip?


3 posted on 03/24/2006 8:20:16 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Boston Blackie

Why these guys are not dead is beyond me?


4 posted on 03/24/2006 8:20:52 AM PST by Seeking the truth (0cents.com - Freep Stuff & Pajama Patrol Stuff)
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To: Boston Blackie

Ramos was released from the hospital into the custody of the Smith County Jail, where he is being held on 14 counts of aggravated assault on a public servant and an U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement hold.

Saucedo remains in a Tyler hospital in serious condition, but warrants have been issued for his arrest on the same charges as Ramos.

If fences don't work, tear down the one around the White House.


5 posted on 03/24/2006 8:22:14 AM PST by sheana
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To: Boston Blackie
More illegals with guns and body armor

To me that means they are terrorists !

b'shem Y'shua

6 posted on 03/24/2006 8:23:43 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: Boston Blackie
Ramos was released from the hospital into the custody of the Smith County Jail, where he is being held on 14 counts of aggravated assault on a public servant and an U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement hold.

I didn't want to jump to conclusions, but I see it might have been justified.
7 posted on 03/24/2006 8:24:24 AM PST by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: Boston Blackie
Here's a full rendition:
violent night in Tyler, a trooper is shot, leading police on a chase filled with gunfire. In the end, there were two crime scenes marked off by police tape, one where the D.P.S. trooper was shot, the other, where the chase between the suspects and police ended.

Here's the rundown on injuries.

The Trooper who was shot, Steven Michael Stone is listed in fair condition. One of the alleged shooters is also in the hospital. He is in serious condition. And the second suspect is in police custody.

It began a little after 9 p.m. on Highway 31 East, about 8 miles east of Tyler. D.P.S Trooper Steven Stone was making a traffic stop for speeding.

Trooper had probable cause to arrest driver, during the arrest, the driver pulled a hand gun from his waist band and began firing the weapon point blank at trooper stone striking him in the left shoulder

Authorities say the passenger also began shooting at Trooper Stone.

The driver, later identified as Ramon Ramos, and passenger Francisco Saucedo fled the scene in their blue Dodge truck.

Captain Audra Livingston, D.P.S., "Trooper Stone was able to make it back to his vehicle where he radioed his communication that he had been shot and he needed help."

Around 9:30p.m., Tyler police department received a call from a citizen who had been monitoring the situation on his scanners.

Chief Gary Swindle, Tyler police department, said, "He had seen the Hispanic male in a black truck at the La Machoacana Grocery store at Beckham and Line, and he said it looked like the guy that we were looking for officers spotted the truck... And the suspects fled from the parking lot."

That's when the chase began. Seventy-five to 100 rounds of ammunition were fired from the suspect's vehicle at officers during the pursuit.

Today, these police cars are evidence of that pursuit... With bullet holes on the side, in the front windshield and then right next to the head rest.

The chase ended at highway 64 east about a mile outside the Loop 323.

Chief Swindle said, "The suspect vehicle made a veer right off to the right where it struck a vehicle parked on the shoulder. The vehicle turned over on it's side."

That's when the suspects were taken into custody. Police discovered that both Ramos and Saucedo were wearing body armor and had a number of weapons in their truck.

Investigators were left with the task of figuring out why these two men had weapons and body armor with them.
I bet you dollars to doughnuts that illegal drugs are involved...and that that is not all that was "illegal"..
8 posted on 03/24/2006 8:26:24 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Boston Blackie
Just doing the job of shooting police that Americans won't do!

Ramos was released from the hospital into the custody of the Smith County Jail, where he is being held on 14 counts of aggravated assault on a public servant and an U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement hold.

Saucedo remains in a Tyler hospital in serious condition, but warrants have been issued for his arrest on the same charges as Ramos.

State District Judge Jack Skeen set both men's bonds at $23 million.

Stone is listed in fair condition at ETMC in Tyler.
9 posted on 03/24/2006 8:27:29 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("The EU is proof that two or more heads are thicker than one.")
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To: XeniaSt

I don't believe they were 'illegals'.


10 posted on 03/24/2006 8:29:04 AM PST by mnehring (http://abaraxas.blogspot.com/.)
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To: Boston Blackie

It appears these two illegals were just doing work Americans wouldn't do.


11 posted on 03/24/2006 8:29:30 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: PeterPrinciple

In New York, you can have whatever you want on your scanner. But you can't have police frequencies on one if it's in your car.


12 posted on 03/24/2006 8:29:39 AM PST by Styria
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To: GarySpFc

Nothing in anything I've seen on the story indicated they were illegal aliens.. and that is something that would be on the first line around here.


13 posted on 03/24/2006 8:31:13 AM PST by mnehring (http://abaraxas.blogspot.com/.)
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To: sheana

aggravated assault on a public servant

Shouldn't that be ATTEMPTED MURDER?


14 posted on 03/24/2006 8:31:31 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: mnehrling
Nothing in anything I've seen on the story indicated they were illegal aliens...

On FR, Hispanic name equals illegal alien in the minds of many.

15 posted on 03/24/2006 8:32:16 AM PST by COEXERJ145 (Real Leaders Base Their Decisions on Their Convictions. Wannabes Base Decisions on the Latest Poll.)
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To: Styria
But you can't have police frequencies on one if it's in your car.

I'm very surprised these laws haven't been struck down. I was under the impression that courts have consistently held that the airwaves are public, therefore you may legally receive any radio signal.

Voice scrambling technology has been around for decades now. Why don't the LEOs just scramble their radios and quit trying to regulate the airwaves?

16 posted on 03/24/2006 8:35:17 AM PST by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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To: mnehrling
The article says: Ramos was released from the hospital into the custody of the Smith County Jail, where he is being held on 14 counts of aggravated assault on a public servant and an U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement hold.

US citizens and legal entrants don't get ICE holds put on them

17 posted on 03/24/2006 8:36:51 AM PST by SuzyQue
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To: mnehrling
I don't believe they were 'illegals'.

From the article:

Ramos was released from the hospital into the custody of the Smith County Jail, where he is being held on 14 counts of aggravated assault on a public servant and an U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement hold.

I have had extensive dealings with ICE, and I can tell you for a fact they would not have a hold on this individual unless he was an illegal.
18 posted on 03/24/2006 8:39:27 AM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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To: mnehrling
being held on 14 counts of aggravated assault on a public servant and an U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement hold

From the story it would appear that they are being held for investigation of possible immigration or customs violations. So, isn't your statement that "Nothing in anything I've seen on the story indicated they were illegal aliens" a bit overstated?

19 posted on 03/24/2006 8:39:46 AM PST by Zeppo
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To: rfreedom4u

Only if he was caucasian or black or asian or.....anything but illegal.


20 posted on 03/24/2006 8:42:46 AM PST by sheana
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