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U.S. Hiring Hong Kong Co. to Scan Nukes
My Way News ^ | Mar 23, 8:32 PM (ET) | TED BRIDIS and JOHN SOLOMON

Posted on 03/24/2006 1:52:26 AM PST by AnimalLover

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To: DustyMoment
Alas, the Bush family is basically a CFR cheering squad. That is one thing they share with the Commander-In-Heat.

Lots of one world Commies in that crowd, like Jimmuh Carter, and his gang such as the infamous Zbiggie. And let's not forget Strobe Talbot, ad nauseam.

The Pubbies better clean house before the next election, as most of the Pubbies I know are not contributing as they once did and won't until the GOP returns to its historic values and positions.

Supporting Arabs and Chinese won't fly out in fly-over land. Bad enough that Carter gave away the Canal and allowed Hutchinson-Wampoa and other Chinese front groups to acquire American ports.

Has anyone in DC considered how easy it would be to bypass the "inspection"?
41 posted on 03/24/2006 9:31:56 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Beckwith
One small nuke in a major harbor would do more damage to America than five of them in Manhattan. Quit thinking of body counts and think about sustainable collateral damages.
42 posted on 03/24/2006 9:44:58 AM PST by B4Ranch (What has an alimentary canal, a big appetite at one end & no sense of responsibility at the other.)
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To: Beckwith
"Those same containers are subject to inspection once they hit our ports."

By the time a nuke gets to the port, the port IS NOT.

"As far as getting a nuke into the country, a container would be the last tool I would use. I can think of a number of ways to get a nuke into the country that would end-run all inspections."

Only a container offers the possibility of sneaking a missile into America, and on it's own launcher, too. If the Commies control the port, just place the container in a clear area and let 'er rip!

America needs to get ALL its nukes back on a first strike survivable status and so inform the crazies.

If the Bush concept "If you support a terrorist you are a terrorist" is to be enforced, it is time to deal with places like Syria.

Of course those lovable examples of the 'People of Peace' following their 'Religion of Peace', the Palestinians would be given the option of joining the civilized world of departing from a land of fused rock on their way to their afterlife.

In short, bring back deterrence. The Muslim understands best power and vengeance. Time we learned to speak their language.

We must be multi-cultural, after all.

;-)
43 posted on 03/24/2006 9:45:11 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: B4Ranch
China or Russia our "friends"?

Haha. yea, that's a good one. Russia was helping the Iraqi army jam our guided missiles, and I must have missed the part where the Chinese joined in the fight with us. They were probably too busy building up their new huge Navy.

For the sake of the U.S., it is time for the people to look around at recent events and take inventory on who just may or may not be our friend. In fact, our friends our few and far between. We couldn't even get a resolution passed at the U.N. to say that if Saddam did not comply that he would be forced to do so.

Of course many of our friends as we found out had their fingers in the oil for food pie all the way down to the bottom of the pie tin. That explains some of their reluctance.

Actions speak louder then words, and when you take a look around the world at the actions of the various nations, our list of friends is pretty damn short.
44 posted on 03/24/2006 9:46:59 AM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: ex-Texan
China is not our friend. Russia is not our friend.

Anything that increases the wealth of multi-national corporations is our friend. Just ask any politician, on either side of the aisle.

45 posted on 03/24/2006 9:47:11 AM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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I knew I should have checked my pings before posting the AP/Yahoo story. I heard the story last night on the radio--this should be big news! Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. is well-known as a front company with ties to the Chinese govt and military.
46 posted on 03/24/2006 10:10:02 AM PST by Baby Bear (Conserve and grow your money...gain personal freedom in return.)
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To: AnimalLover

It seems that almost anything that has to do with container/cargo shipping, is done by foreign companies. Does anyone know what it is about trans-ocean shipping and cargo handling, that keeps US companies from even wanting to be in that business?


47 posted on 03/24/2006 10:13:16 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Beckwith
Who or what is the "they" you write about?

The people who run the devices. People who work for for a Chinese company who could be told that this special container doesn't need to be checked.

48 posted on 03/24/2006 11:57:12 AM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: ex-Texan
I heard Coats2Coast live with George Noorey. The show repeats in a few minutes. First guest was Charles R. Smith a conservative expert on China. He is really p@ssed about what is going. (I lived in Long Beach, CA back when China was smuggling illegal arms to Mexico Zapatistas.) Apparently, China just smuugled missle launchers into Los Angeles. Tune in Coast2Coast if you do not believe me. Long shoremen were calling the talk show.

I heard that last night, too. I have trouble separating the kooks well nevermind. Sometimes they do talk about real news, don't know about this Smith guy, sounded fairly credible.

49 posted on 03/24/2006 12:00:06 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Right Wing Assault
Who or what is the "they" you write about?

The people who run the devices. People who work for for a Chinese company who could be told that this special container doesn't need to be checked.


"who could be told ..."

Who could be told by whom?

That's my point. It's complex. Who do you trust? Who do you not trust?
50 posted on 03/24/2006 12:23:24 PM PST by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Aliska
Smith is a regular contributor for NewsMax.com. He has written extensively about the scandals of Bubba's administration and Chinese covert operations.
51 posted on 03/24/2006 12:25:27 PM PST by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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To: ex-Texan
Smith is a regular contributor for NewsMax.com. He has written extensively about the scandals of Bubba's administration and Chinese covert operations.

newsmax doesn't have a good reputation with the left. I try to cite other news services/sources in a discussion w/lefties if I can find them. I used to read newsmax a lot, but even mainline conservatives shy away from them and WND.

He also said something about an entry in the Federal Register about a week ago to the effect that restrictions had been lifted on China re nuclear weapons. I can't remember the details of that.

52 posted on 03/24/2006 12:30:21 PM PST by Aliska
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To: AnimalLover

The most major shipping container node in the world is in the Bahamas and has been built and run by this very company. Why should they not add this extra step of inspection if somebody offers to pay for the equipment?


53 posted on 03/24/2006 12:32:32 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Beckwith

I know what you're saying, but I would rather have the company in charge not be owned the Red Chinese or the Russians or the muslims. Not that the the chicoms might put a bomb in the container but they might allow someone else to do it.

I would much rather have a US or Brit company run it. If they can't afford to run it, help them. It's that important.

Trust our long term allies that have the same general outlook on life as we do. I don't care how great a friend Dubai is or Saudi Arabia, I don't trust them. I don't have to tell them that, but I'm not going to give them some of the most crucial jobs in the world. They can make nails for us or cardboard boxes. They don't have a long track record nor do they think like we do. They are still partially stuck a millenium back.

And China is not a friend at all. They are a trading partner who has screwed us over with their monetary dealings after we give them most favored trade designation. They would love to have us owing them trillions of dollars. Their leaders are crazy enough to endanger their own trade if they could arrange a nuke container in NYC.

Yes, this is all a bit paranoid, but at least let's be a bit more careful. It's almost as if we are saying, "OK, who would be the least likely group to run this or that operation? Great, let's hire them!" The chickens in the coop don't hire the fox to guard them. Why should we?


55 posted on 03/24/2006 2:24:19 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Beckwith
Those same containers are subject to inspection once they hit our ports.

Too late. They would blow the nuke up when if was unloaded and before it was inspected. Do it in NYC and it's a mess. We shouldn't be looking at how good we think our systems are. We should be thinking like terrorists as someone else said.

56 posted on 03/24/2006 2:31:03 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault
We should be thinking like terrorists as someone else said.

I don't think you or I are capable of thinking like a terrorist.

We're human.

Don't misunderstand me. I said human, not easy.
57 posted on 03/24/2006 3:17:28 PM PST by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Beckwith

That's probably true, but some people seem totally naive about them. They can't even figure how a terrorist could sneak into the US.



58 posted on 03/24/2006 4:36:21 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: AlexW
Loony Noory was jumping out of his pants, claiming this was the biggest story of the century, and it would destroy Bush and lead to his impeachment.

I actually was listening to this after I had read about it hours earlier on FR. Norry is an entertainer, not a newsmaker. This was a story when Clinton let go control of ports back in the 1990's... this was not a Bush deal.

59 posted on 03/24/2006 4:45:03 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: GladesGuru

Look what I found in my files!

Li Ka-Shing Seeks U.S. Contract

Charles R. Smith
Tuesday, Aug. 6, 2002

Hutchison Whampoa Teams With U.S. Defense Firm for Port Security

Hutchison Whampoa, the firm that currently runs both ends of the Panama Canal, is teaming up with an American technology company in a bid to win tens of millions of dollars in U.S. port security funding.

Three companies – Hutchison Whampoa Ltd., PSA Corp. Ltd. of Singapore, and London-based P&O Ports – will test an advanced electronic system manufactured by California-based Savi Technology to ensure the security of cargo entering U.S. ports. Hutchison Whampoa's effort to obtain a U.S. government contract has been confirmed by Savi Technology, the American partner in the joint venture.

"We are working with Hutchison and the port of Seattle on a pilot project," stated Savi's Senior Vice President for the Public Sector Ken Wykle.

"The pilot with Hutchison is intended to track cargo from Hong Kong to Seattle. Once the pilot project is complete, we will seek federal funding.

"We also have two other pilot projects – one with PSA, which will track cargo from Singapore to Seattle, and a follow-on with P&O, which will track cargo from Rotterdam to the New York and New Jersey ports," stated Wykle.

The three shipping companies are putting up seed money for the pilot phase of the project. However, there is a great potential for U.S. government contract funding, including $28 million in emergency funds already appropriated by Congress for port security and an additional $83 million in annual port security grants being considered in Congress.

RFID Tracking Technology

Savi already produces an electronic system called RFID, or "radio frequency ID," that transmits the exact location of any tagged cargo. The RFID system has been purchased by the U.S. Defense Department to track critical cargo shipments around the world.

Yet intelligence sources have confirmed that the Chinese army is also very interested in the RFID technology. The sources confirmed that the same technology has been examined by the PLA for use as a "poor man's smart bomb." The tracking devices can be rigged to detonate a hidden explosive device or release chemical weapons only when they have arrived at their intended destination.

Li Ka-Shing & Communist Chinese in Business

The bid by Hutchison Whampoa to acquire U.S. government funding is also expected to run into heavy opposition inside Congress. The owner of Hutchison Whampoa, Hong Kong tycoon Li Ka-Shing, is well known to be very close to the Chinese communist government. Li is reportedly in business with Chinese President Jiang Zemin's son, developing properties in Tiananmen Square.

For example, Li Ka-Shing is so close to the Chinese government that the Clinton White House gave his bio, along with the bio of the entire top communist Chinese leadership, to the CEO of Loral Aerospace, Bernard Schwartz, just prior to the 1994 Ron Brown trade trip to Beijing. Li was the only civilian in the bios given to the million-dollar DNC donor.

Li apparently did have a great deal of interest in U.S. space technology. He has served as a middleman for PLA satellite purchases. For example, Li financed several satellite deals between the U.S. Hughes Corporation and China Hong Kong Satellite (CHINASAT), a company owned by the People's Liberation Army unit COSTIND.

Besides buying satellites for the PLA, in 1997 Li Ka-Shing and the Chinese navy nearly obtained four huge roll-on/roll-off container ships from America. These ships were intended to transport PLA military cargo. The ships were part of a multimillion-dollar deal that would have been financed by U.S. taxpayers.

In an exclusive deal with the People's Republic of China's communist government, Li has the right of first refusal over all PRC ports south of the Yangtze River. Li Ka-Shing has invested more than a billion dollars in China and owns most of the dock space in Hong Kong.

Red Chinese Panama Canal Deal

Li Ka-Shing currently owns both the Pacific and Atlantic ports on the Panama Canal. A Senate Committee on Foreign Relations staff report on the privatization of the Panamanian ports dated May 14, 1997, identified Hutchison's subsidiary HIT, or Panama Ports Company, as being 10 percent owned by China Resources Enterprise (CRE), which is the commercial arm of China's "Ministry of Trade and Economic Co-operation."

During the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee hearings, the South China Morning Post on July 16, 1997, quoted Sen. Fred Thompson as saying China Resources was "an agent of espionage – economic, military, and political – for China."

COSCO and Li Ka-Shing

Li Ka-Shing's official business partner is the national flag carrier of Beijing, the Chinese Ocean Shipping Company, also known as COSCO. According to a 1998 congressional report on Chinese espionage, there is "information" that then-President Clinton did not allow to be made public on COSCO.

"Although presented as a commercial entity, COSCO is actually an arm of the Chinese military establishment. The Clinton administration has determined that additional information concerning COSCO that appears in the Select Committee's classified Final Report cannot be made public," stated the report that was written by the House Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare.

Li Ka-Shing attempted to purchase the military port of Long Beach, Calif., for COSCO but failed after the U.S. Department of Defense raised national security concerns over the proposed sale.

A June 1997 Rand report, "Chinese Military Commerce and U.S. National Security," stated, "Hutchison Whampoa of Hong Kong, controlled by Hong Kong billionaire Li Ka Shing, is also negotiating for PLA wireless system contracts, which would build upon his equity interest in PLA arms company Poly Tech-owned Yangpu Land Development Company, which is building infrastructure on China's Hainan Island."

$35 Million Into U.S. Firm From Offshore

It is not known if the U.S. partner of Li Ka-Shing, Savi Technology, is aware of the billionaire's close working relationship with the Chinese government or the joint ventures that Hutchison Whampoa has with the Chinese army.

However, Savi received a $35 million investment in June 2002 from a Singapore-based firm just prior to announcing the joint effort with Hutchison. How the sudden influx of offshore monies will affect Savi's U.S. Defense contract status is also not known.

Li Ka-Shing Testifies Before Congress

According to the former prosecutor and executive director of the Canadian Police Association, Li Ka-Shing's Hutchison Whampoa seeking U.S. government funding for port security raises serious national security and law enforcement questions.

"I'd like to suggest that the appropriate congressional committee hold hearings into this important issue and that they call Li Ka-Shing as the first witness," stated Scott Newark, who is currently a special security adviser to the government of Ontario.

"I volunteer to be second, but frankly, there are people far more knowledgeable than me in this regard, including, for example, the International Association of Airport and Seaport Police, which just held their conference in NYC. As a speaker at that conference, I urged ridding ports of such crime and rogue government-connected companies not making them the local constabulary.

"There is no question that Hutchison Whampoa is a commercial maritime interest with great experience in port operations matters. Given the seriousness of what's at stake, it is obvious that this request should be considered seriously and result in full scrutiny of the current holdings and business relationships of Hutchison Whampoa and any history of activity that would raise concerns in relation to any or all of the above issues," said Newark.

According to Newark, there are five critical issues at stake: preventing smuggling of drugs, guns and people; preventing export of stolen products; providing site security as a result of 9-11; preventing terrorism-related smuggling; and preventing terrorist attacks on ships leaving ports.

Full Scrutiny of Hutchison Whampoa

"We need full scrutiny of the principals of Hutchison Whampoa and all of their business- or government-related associations and any history of any activity of them or their associates – including links to organized crime and terrorist groups, activities or states supporting the same – that would raise concerns to any of the above," stated Newark.

"We should give full scrutiny to any relationship of Hutchison Whampoa, its partners, directors or officers with any foreign government that would raise concerns to any or all of the above issues," noted Newark.

"Further, our Parliament is currently considering a bill that, among other things, provides a framework for port security requirements. I have already been approached to testify, and in light of this alarming development I will now specifically raise this issue and urge our government to ensure the same careful and public scrutiny of this company, its principals and their murky connections as I have here," concluded Newark.

In closing, remember COSCO at the Port of Long Beach and
their plans to expand to 400 to 500 acres in the near
future.


60 posted on 03/24/2006 8:46:06 PM PST by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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