[muawiyah]

You seem to have missed out on what really happened in Japan and Germany after WWII. The former leadership elite was eliminated or disenfranchised. Direct American occupation went on for many years, and that was followed for another half century with a situation just this side of occupation.

That is, Americans became the new German and Japanese leadership elites.

That's what I said, in general, always yappens. Any Souvrn'r can tell you about it too.

[Mr. Mojo]

Direct American occupation went on for many years,

I realize that, and again, the reason were were able to nation-build in those particular cases is because of their relatively civilized cultures. ....precisely the reason why the task is next to impossible in Islamic countries.