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Mrs. Clinton Says G.O.P.'s Immigration Plan Is at Odds With the Bible
NY Times ^ | 3/23/ | Nina Bernstein

Posted on 03/23/2006 12:28:28 PM PST by Crackingham

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton invoked the Bible yesterday to criticize a stringent border security measure that, among other things, would make it a federal crime to offer aid to illegal immigrants.

"It is hard to believe that a Republican leadership that is constantly talking about values and about faith would put forth such a mean-spirited piece of legislation," she said of the measure, which was passed by the House of Representatives in December and mirrored a companion Senate bill introduced last week by Senator Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican and the majority leader.

"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scripture because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself," she said. "We need to sound the alarm about what is being done in the Congress."

Mrs. Clinton, who is running for re-election this year and is leading in polls for the Democratic presidential nomination, spoke at a news conference in Manhattan with more than 30 immigrant leaders after meeting with them privately.

The meeting took place in an atmosphere of mounting urgency, as the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops called on its flock to oppose the measure, and tens of thousands of immigrants around the country stepped up a series of protest rallies in anticipation of a Senate vote on competing immigration bills next week.

Mr. Frist's bill, like the House measure, would make it a crime to be in the United States without proper papers and would add guards and fencing along the Mexican border, and speed deportation.

Some versions, including one proposed by Senator Arlen Spector of Pennsylvania, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, would expand the definition of alien smuggling to include help to illegal immigrants already here.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; border; bordersecurity; clinton; hillary; hillaryclinton; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; irony; jezebel; lackoff; lakoff; religiousleft; shewhomustnotbenamed; walis; wallis; winwithwords
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To: clawrence3

I think anyone deliberately violating our immigration laws is acting as a vigilante and should expect to be prosecuted.

See, answered it AGAIN.


121 posted on 03/23/2006 1:20:50 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: clawrence3

OK, a guy kills your wife, oh, I mean your "Life Partner". He then hides in a Church of Scientology. Tom Cruise agrees to hide him because he never liked your "life partner" anyways. Yes, I think Tom Cruise should go to jail. No I think Katie Holmes was not that believable on Dawsons Creek but she should not be charged.
Do you have any more hypotheticals you want to ask?


122 posted on 03/23/2006 1:20:55 PM PST by Holicheese (Hey whitey, wheres your hat?)
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To: DoughtyOne
I guess this depends on what your definition of 'the Bible' IS.

Perhaps she's readin' out of Billy and Jesse's cliff note version?

123 posted on 03/23/2006 1:22:08 PM PST by Eagleami (Israeli Hero - Moses Hess - Communist Manifesto)
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To: Crackingham

Even Satan can quote scripture.


124 posted on 03/23/2006 1:23:53 PM PST by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: Crackingham
Hillary can't bring up the Bible!

Where's the ACLU when you need them!

(/sarc.)

125 posted on 03/23/2006 1:27:59 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Crackingham
I'm anxious to hear what Lou Dobbs has to say about this :)..

sw

126 posted on 03/23/2006 1:28:26 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Crackingham
I can hardly wait for the ACLU to come down on her. (sarc.)
127 posted on 03/23/2006 1:29:45 PM PST by BW2221
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To: Crackingham

"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scripture because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself." says Hillary.

Well I guess someone should point out to Hillary that Jesus was tried as a criminal, convicted and crucified.


128 posted on 03/23/2006 1:29:49 PM PST by Rock N Jones
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To: Rock N Jones

you can't tell her that...it doesn't fit her agenda.


129 posted on 03/23/2006 1:32:07 PM PST by me-here
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To: clawrence3
Do you think the Church helping someone regardless of their immigration status should be criminalized?

If they're hungry, feed them. If they're thirsty, give them water. If they need shelter, give them shelter until the immigration department arrives. It's the human thing to do.
If the law says to turn them over to immigration, there's nothing inhumane about that, either. They'll still get food, water and shelter until they're deported.

130 posted on 03/23/2006 1:34:01 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: Crackingham

The only thing that spawn of Satan knows about the Bible is hitting conservatives over the head with it.


131 posted on 03/23/2006 1:34:36 PM PST by TexasRepublic (North American distributor for Mohammed Urinals. Franchises available.)
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To: Holicheese

I'm not babbling - if you don't understand the question, please let me know, and I will clearly (and as simply as I can) try to clarify. HR 4437 could, in fact, make it illegal for a church to give food and shelter to illegal aliens - I disagree with that (and, unfortunately, that puts me on Hillary Clinton's side for this one issue). As for the guy who just molested and killed 1000 children, the Church should neither hide him nor turn him over, especially if they know of that crime only through confession.


132 posted on 03/23/2006 1:34:36 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: mass55th
Exactly.

I agree with Arianne Huffington and others who have pointed out that Hillary is dishonest and lacking in character and should never get a chance to run for president.

133 posted on 03/23/2006 1:37:30 PM PST by Dante3
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To: FormerLib

You are skipping two steps ahead: the question pending is whether you think the Church helping someone regardless of their immigration status should be criminalized? I believe you want to answer this question "yes" but sense a trap or something which is why you want to assume something similar to HR 4437 is passed in the Senate, survives committee, and makes it into a law, and then answer THAT question. How about this - I will agree with you if the feds pass this, and Mahony violates said law, he should expect to go to jail. Does that help?


134 posted on 03/23/2006 1:39:52 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: concerned about politics

The problem is, at least with the section of this proposed law I quoted above, that when the immigration department arrives, they may take the priest into custody as well. You really want that political PR mess on your hands?


135 posted on 03/23/2006 1:41:28 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Dante3

Did you see my question to you above? I seem to recall you never answered my question on another thread whether you wanted all LEGAL immigration stopped either. So, if you decline to answer yet again, no surprise.


136 posted on 03/23/2006 1:42:37 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Crackingham

For the last time banshee. Religion has no business in gov't. I don't want the gov't killing children for not behaving, or killing people for being gay. I also don't want the gov't turning the other cheek or staying away from judging people.

I want the government to uphold the laws of it's citizens and do the best to protect it's people that are alive. If that means preventing murder, good, if that means protecting property rights, good, if that means stopping abortion, good, if that means telling everyone that can pray to whatever God they want, good.


137 posted on 03/23/2006 1:42:39 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: TexasRepublic

Yes or no: Do you think the Church helping someone regardless of their immigration status should be criminalized?


138 posted on 03/23/2006 1:42:57 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Dante3
This is actually very good - for Hillary to be commenting on big-time national issues.

She's obviously in the very first stages of campaign 2008 - and probably has an "operations war room" of 200 to 300 hard-core DLC'ers working round-the-clock to analyze every facet of politics, the economy, etc - so that "SHE" can strategically insert focus-group tested comments wherever needed.

So - Hillary now wants to talk about Jesus? Excellent. Someone needs to ask Hillary how Jesus would feel about abortion.

Anyway, what the Republicans need to do from now on - up to and including the 2008 Presidential race - is run against Hillary. In any Senate or House race, the Repub needs to say things like "Hillary Clinton and the Democrats think that illegal aliens have more rights than US citizens...", or "Hillary Clinton and the Democrats think that gay marriage is the same as normal marriage..."

EVERY Democrat needs to be put on record whether they are "WITH" Hillary or not. When someone says "Hillary Clinton and the Democrats want to take your guns away", the Democrat needs to say "NO, No - I don't agree with Hillary", or "No we don't" - but then some quote of Hillary's will be brought up.

Everything must be brought back to Hillary Clinton - the Democrats are scared as hell of being on record for anything, and now Hillary is on record supporting the illegal alien invasion. I wonder how those Red-state Demo Senators will line up - with or against her?
139 posted on 03/23/2006 1:45:33 PM PST by mobyss
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To: Crackingham
"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scripture because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself," she said.

Lord where art thou that this evil woman can even utter Jesus'name without being struck down?

140 posted on 03/23/2006 1:46:04 PM PST by Rummyfan
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