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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Which “founding father” is that???
Father"S". So sorry.

Where is it enumerated that marriage is a “right” in the Constitution?
Rights of Americans are not limited to those that are enumerated while our government's powers are supposed to be limited to those enumerated. The very concept of peoples rights only being those which are enumerated and the powers of government being unlimited with the exception of intruding upon those same enumerated rights is the complete diametric opposite of the way the constitution is written.

Where is regulation of Marriage enumerated as a power of the Federal Government?

So, we should allow ritual murder as a “right” of religious freedom???
This question clearly has nothing to do with my position. If you wish to argue with someone over religious freedom I'm sure someone else would be happy to oblige you.
156 posted on 03/23/2006 8:33:11 AM PST by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: Durus
"Rights of Americans are not limited to those that are enumerated while our government's powers are supposed to be limited to those enumerated. The very concept of peoples rights only being those which are enumerated and the powers of government being unlimited with the exception of intruding upon those same enumerated rights is the complete diametric opposite of the way the constitution is written."

Unfortunately few Americans know this, and even fewer in government.
158 posted on 03/23/2006 8:41:49 AM PST by RHINO369
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To: Durus
Where is regulation of Marriage enumerated as a power of the Federal Government?
Article the third [Amendment I]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

Marriage is a religious rite, not a civil right and we do have a right to regulate practice, not belief.

No man can become a law unto himself under the guise of religious freedom...

Again, here is the case law...

“Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices...”

[Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145, 8 Otto 145, 24 L. Ed. 244 (1878).]

Late Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints v. United States, 136 U.S. 1, 10 S.Ct. 792, 34 L. Ed. 478 (1890). Revised as 140 U.S. 665, 11 S.Ct. 884, 35 L. Ed. 592 (1891).

The First Amendment is about speech and thought, not actions.

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Rights of Americans are not limited to those that are enumerated...

Like I asked more pointedly last time, from where are such rights derived?

Answer: The Declaration of Independence... “We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights…” Genesis and Mosaic Law... like it or not...

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This question clearly has nothing to do with my position.

Oh, it most surely does. That is why you want to run away from it...

No man can become a law unto himself under the guise of religion!

No, you cannot have ritual murders or rapes. You cannot marry your weird uncle if you are a ten year old boy, marry your dog or invent a religion that says you can and claim it as your “right” to do so. That is bullcrap and you know it.

We cannot regulate biology.

Now, you can make babies all day long, but just don't expect everyone else to give you tax exemptions or welfare to pay for it, or expect us to put up with your brood of hooligans you cannot raise properly and not hold you accountable.

Article. I.

Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;...

To promote the Progress of Science...

Homosexuality in and of itself is a biological threat, hardly promoting the progress of science or the ‘general Welfare.’ The same is true for polygamy.

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Article. III.

Section. 2. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution...

It has been adjudicated...

Marriage is not a right, it is a privileged practice that requires statutory license.

[Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145, 8 Otto 145, 24 L. Ed. 244 (1878).]

Late Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints v. United States, 136 U.S. 1, 10 S.Ct. 792, 34 L. Ed. 478 (1890). Revised as 140 U.S. 665, 11 S.Ct. 884, 35 L. Ed. 592 (1891).


177 posted on 03/23/2006 6:11:41 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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