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More Californians forgoing quake insurance
Associated Press / Boston Globe ^ | March 22, 2006 | Scott Lindlaw

Posted on 03/22/2006 3:01:44 PM PST by Cboldt

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1 posted on 03/22/2006 3:01:45 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

They should remember New Orleans...


2 posted on 03/22/2006 3:03:49 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Cboldt

There you go. Insead of paying for living in CA, with ALL that that involves, he's decided to let US pay part of his expenses. What a guy!


3 posted on 03/22/2006 3:04:18 PM PST by Mad Dawg (If you find yourself in a fair fight, you did not prepare properly.)
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To: Cboldt

The Katrina "victims" are demanding that insurance companies pay whether they had coverage or not.


4 posted on 03/22/2006 3:04:39 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Cboldt

I can't speak for other California homeowners, but my wife and I have little choice but TO buy the insurance: we live in a condo complex with a mandatory rebuild requirement.


5 posted on 03/22/2006 3:06:41 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Cboldt
One homeowner in Oakland will pay $1,468 this year for $306,000 in coverage for a house, with a deductible of nearly $46,000. A house insured for $500,000 in San Francisco's Marina District -- a neighborhood built on unstable fill from the bay -- costs $2,400 a year to insure through the California Earthquake Authority, with a $75,000 deductible.

Many homeowners are already struggling with some of the highest housing prices in the country.

Matthew Park, an information technology manager who owns a home in Corte Madera, across the Golden Gate Bridge from San Francisco, decided against quake insurance. ''The deductible is ridiculously high, to the point where the level of protection you actually receive is anemic," he said

A 75,000 deductible? You would have to buy another policy to cover the deductible.

6 posted on 03/22/2006 3:08:07 PM PST by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: Mad Dawg

If they get free, dang near unlimited $$$ for NOLA, then it is only fair they do the same for us next time.

At least now we know to play the game...


7 posted on 03/22/2006 3:08:38 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Diplomacy is what you do after you kick the enemy's ass and define their lives afterward)
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To: Cboldt

"But for many others, the billions of dollars in federal aid pouring into the Gulf Coast merely bolstered a sense that the government would come to the rescue after a big earthquake."


It is this attitude which has turned my state into the liberal hell hole it is. And when a destructive quake hits, these people will be the first to bitch that "Bush isn't doing enough" when their homes and lives aren't instantly rebuilt because they choose to rely on nanny government instead of buying insurance themselves. I wish the federal government would put out a directive that they will not provide relief payments for people above certain income levels who could have and should have furnished themselves with earthquake insurance. And "I preferred to spend my money on another SUV, jet skis or on expensive dinners instead" should in no way be an excuse. Just as the government doesn't pay to rebuild your car if you're in an accident and didn't provide yourself with car insurance, why should taxpayers pay to rebuild your home when you could have afforded to purchase earthquake insurance?


8 posted on 03/22/2006 3:10:39 PM PST by MikeA (Remember: In the 2008 elections we won't beat a superstar with a dimbulb)
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To: Cboldt

You know, reading the article, the yearly premiums compared to house values for the quake insurance actually aren't as high as I was expecting; I don't live in a quake area, but I've read all the hazard stuff, a lot of scientific papers, and really compared to the risk, the premiums are a bargain.

The deductibles are a bit high.

Man people really don't understand the risk. They don't understand that the last 50 years or so in both the SF Bay area and LA have had less activity than normal.


9 posted on 03/22/2006 3:10:45 PM PST by Strategerist
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From this link for anyone, like me, who's confused about the difference between hazard and risk (I can never remember the difference):

Hazard and risk are fundamentally different. Hazard is a phenomenon that has potential to cause harm. Phenomena are both natural and man-made. For example, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, and floods are natural hazards; whereas car crashes, chemical spills, train derailments, and terror attacks are man-made hazards. Risk , on the other hand, is the likelihood (chance) of harm if someone or something is exposed to a hazard, and generally quantified by three terms: likelihood (chance), a level of hazard (loss), and exposure (time). For example, in health sciences, risk can be defined as the likelihood (probability) of getting cancer if an average daily dose of a hazardous substance (hazard level) is taken over a 70-year lifetime (exposure). In the financial world, risk can be the probability of losing a certain amount of money (loss) over a period. Seismic hazard and risk are also fundamentally different and commonly defined as:

Seismic Hazard: Earthquakes of a certain magnitude or the phenomena generated by the earthquakes, such as surface rupture, ground motion , ground-motion amplification , liquefaction , and induced-landslides, that have potential to cause harm.

Seismic Risk: Likelihood (chance) of experiencing a level of seismic hazard for a given exposure (time and asset).

10 posted on 03/22/2006 3:15:06 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

Yes, they should.
If Katrina is any indication, they'd be better off banking the money for future repairs because the insurance companies don't want to pay off on policies.
From New Orleans to the Gulf Coast, insurance companies are doing everything they can to avoid paying policy holders. It seems they like the idea of GETTING those premium $$, but never seriously considered paying off on claims.
Disaster insurance that PAYS you if a disaster strikes!?? What a concept!


11 posted on 03/22/2006 3:20:14 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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an average daily dose of a hazardous substance...

That has a different meaning in the San Francisco area. On average.

12 posted on 03/22/2006 3:21:54 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: ClearBlueSky

After the 1906 earthquake, the insurance companies refused to pay, saying they were unable to pay out so much.
(That's why a lot of the damage there was attributed to "fire", which did pay out).

Most California homeowners know that in the event of a billion-dollar sized quake, the companies will probably bail once again.

So why pay $2500 a year for insurance, with a $50,000 deductable, when it won't help you in any case?


13 posted on 03/22/2006 3:23:07 PM PST by CondorFlight
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But the point remains - why pay for earthquake insurance (like flood insurance) when the Feds will come to the rescue even if you don't have the insurance?

The Federal Government is not suppose to be in the insurance business. Yet the feds over the years have found ways to be the default fall-back insurer for so many risks- from natural disasters, to poor business decisions and investments, to retirement income, to health care, to whatever... You have a "need" the federal government has a "plan" for you.

But even more sickening - often those who most "qualify" for those government programs don't get it, or have to appeal (thus spending time and money they don't have) to get the benefits they qualify for.


14 posted on 03/22/2006 3:24:51 PM PST by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of Satan and a Cancer on Society)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Well, going without is still a recipe for disaster. What if the event isn't big enough to attract national attention, but is big enough to nail your home? If they can afford it, they should shop around and just get the darn insurance.


15 posted on 03/22/2006 3:26:13 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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that the government will come to the rescue. ...

Why did I know that was coming.

16 posted on 03/22/2006 3:27:32 PM PST by Professional Engineer (It's not a real building until it hits 30 stories.)
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To: Cboldt
Its called the "Air Force One Solution." You know, the joke about the President flying over a disaster zone in Air Force One and dropping $100 bills on the affected residents. I don't have earthquake insurance because A) its expensive and B) I'm insured against a risk that may or may not happen in my lifetime. In other words, the odds of the Big One happening in any given year are so remote it doesn't make sense to carry the coverage and by the time I do need it, the Feds will step in to make up my losses. They always do. If they want to change the Air Force mindset, stop ripping us off on earthquake coverage.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

17 posted on 03/22/2006 3:29:38 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: MikeA
I wish the federal government would put out a directive that they will not provide relief payments for people above certain income levels who could have and should have furnished themselves with earthquake insurance.

Income levels should make no difference. Why should we the people pay for anyone's failure to insure when it comes to owning property regardless of the disaster? There is such a thing as rental insurance for those who don't own to cover their household items. Most poor don't own they rent and for those that own--it is a cost of owning property--PERIOD. A gamble you take if you own and are uninsured.

18 posted on 03/22/2006 3:31:05 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: CondorFlight
Exactly. And the deductible is so ridiculously high most of us won't be able to pay it in the event a disaster strikes. That why few people carry earthquake insurance. With the way its structured, at the price its offered, it provides no real protection whatsoever. The Feds won't give me much but what they can give is still more than what an insurance company could in the wake of such a massive catastrophe.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

19 posted on 03/22/2006 3:33:52 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Sue, the article tends to tell people not to depend on a government bailout. However, real life tells us that people organized in a Katrina-like mass can easily manipulate government into spending billions, so why spend money on insurance... especially when you've got the largest contingent of congressmen in the country. Most people in California hurt by an earthquake will be women and minorities, too - they're the majority, after all.


20 posted on 03/22/2006 3:34:04 PM PST by redpoll (redpoll)
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