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With John Birch Society, it's the same old drill
Dallas Morning News ^ | 3/22/2006 | Steve Blow

Posted on 03/22/2006 7:26:16 AM PST by sinkspur

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To: Irontank
Before typing ignorant, uninformed libel about the JBS, why don't you go the JBS website, read a couple of issues of The New American, go to a couple of speeches given by Birchers and talk to a few members?...do some research...you might be surprised at what the JBS stands for.

No thanks. The last Bircher I had extensive contact with on here was a goofball under the moniker of Inspector Harry Callahan.

He believed Neil Armstrong's walk on the moon was done on a soundstage in Hollywood, and that the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre, an innocent organization of rich Catholics who support shrines in the Holy Land, were plotting a modern-day crusade against Protestants.

61 posted on 03/22/2006 8:58:06 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: Mr. Lucky
My personal favorite was their claim that General Eisenhower was a Communist agent.

In the first edition of The Politician, removed in teh second edition.

To qutoe Russell Kirk again, "Eisenhower's not a Communist; he's a golfer."

62 posted on 03/22/2006 8:59:32 AM PST by TBP
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To: Verginius Rufus
At one point there were a couple of Congressmen from southern California who were members of the John Birch Society.

John Rousselot (R-Cal.), John Schmitz (R-Cal.), who was the AIP candidate against Nixon in '72, and John R. Rarick (D-La.) Interewsting that they were all named John.

63 posted on 03/22/2006 9:03:26 AM PST by TBP
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To: Wallace T.
The Birchers got much right, including their admiration of the heroic fight of Joseph McCarthy and others against domestic Communists and other subversives. They lost their way when Robert Welch and his associates went beyond fighting Marxists, Fabian socialists, and New Leftists and developed a universal conspiracy theory cleaned up of the anti-Semitism that was characteristic of earlier theories based on the spurious Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. This conspiracy theory became their dogma and they tried to interpret events in light of that dogma.

I was a member of the Birch Society for a time, having been enticed to join by reading the Blue Book and some of their early publications. However, I quickly soured on the "master conspiracy" theory, which is oddly similar to V. I. Lenin's view of how the world works as expressed in his pamphlet, Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism.

After I left, a friend of mine joined and became a chapter chairman in the mid-1980's. I was about to rejoin the society so I could become a member of his chapter, but before I could do so, he got purged. At chapter meetings, my friend had been trying to instill in his listeners an awareness and understanding of such real world issues as the Soviet threat and President Reagan's domestic agenda, while paying little or no attention to the "master conspiracy." Furthermore, rather than relying solely on Birch Society publications, he made available to his chapter publications from conservative journals and think tanks, and the Defense Department pamphlet, The Soviet Threat.

The Birch honcho for the region disapproved of this and dismissed him for not toeing the party line. His chapter quickly folded, but the society's ideological purity was preserved.

64 posted on 03/22/2006 9:04:14 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: nightdriver

For anyone who thinks the Birchers are way out there, I'd suggest a good look at the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto and compare that to how the fedgov runs this country.


65 posted on 03/22/2006 9:04:40 AM PST by american spirit
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To: Verginius Rufus
the late Revilo P. Oliver

Great name, and if you say it backwards it's the same.

66 posted on 03/22/2006 9:05:40 AM PST by TBP
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To: LexBaird
There is no such group as the Illuminati.

Ewige blumenkraft.

67 posted on 03/22/2006 9:07:01 AM PST by TBP
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
"My personal favorite was their claim that General Eisenhower was a Communist agent."

Surprise me by showing me some proof that JBS ever said that!

From Wikipedia:

"Republican mainstream unhappiness with the Birch Society intensified after Welch circulated a letter calling President Dwight D. Eisenhower a possible “conscious, dedicated agent of the Communist Conspiracy.” Welch went further in a book titled The Politician, written in 1956 and published by the JBS in 1963, which declared that Eisenhower’s brother Milton was Ike’s superior within the Communist apparatus and alleging that other top government officials were also Communist tools. Included were ex-president Truman, Roosevelt, the last Sec. Of State John Foster Dulles and former CIA Director Allan W. Dulles. Conservative writer William F. Buckley, Jr., an early friend and admirer of Welch, regarded his accusations against Eisenhower as "paranoid and idiotic libels" and attempted unsuccessfully to purge Welch from the JBS. Welch responded by attempting to take over Young Americans for Freedom, a conservative youth organization founded with assistance from Buckley."

68 posted on 03/22/2006 9:07:36 AM PST by wideminded
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To: sinkspur
"Well, for Birchers, the starchy Council on Foreign Relations is the Legion of Doom. It's part of the nefarious "invisible government" that really runs the country."

Invisible?

Here's another Blast from the Past. I thought they were pretty good at naming names.

69 posted on 03/22/2006 9:07:47 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: sinkspur
Build-A-Burger Conspiracy ALERT!


70 posted on 03/22/2006 9:09:29 AM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: Fiji Hill
I quickly soured on the "master conspiracy" theory, which is oddly similar to V. I. Lenin's view of how the world works as expressed in his pamphlet, Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism.

Robert Welch was a dedicated, conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy.

71 posted on 03/22/2006 9:09:56 AM PST by TBP
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To: TBP

Yes, I once heard Revilo P. Oliver called the Grand Palindrome.


72 posted on 03/22/2006 9:10:34 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: SFC Chromey

I thought eh John Birch Society was here almost since the countries founding. Wasn't it hte John Birch society that opposed the spending of federal monies on the re-building of Georgetown after the great fire?


73 posted on 03/22/2006 9:10:47 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Verginius Rufus
I once heard Revilo P. Oliver called the Grand Palindrome.

I bet he put that on his business cards!

74 posted on 03/22/2006 9:11:51 AM PST by TBP
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To: TBP

I think Congressman James B. Utt was another member of the John Birch Society, despite not being named John.


75 posted on 03/22/2006 9:12:21 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: edcoil

Guess I was wrong.

"Ever since its founding in 1958 by Robert Welch"


76 posted on 03/22/2006 9:15:08 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: sinkspur
The John Birchers still exist... over at DU. They're now the kook mainstream of the Left.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

77 posted on 03/22/2006 9:16:20 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68; John Filson

"Get U.S. Out of the UN!" is more valid today than it was back in the 60's. Of course, now that Bolton is there everything will be just so soft and comfy for the BushBot FReepers.

Continually hitting the snooze alarm remains the worst habit that so called 'conservative' Americans have ever developed.


78 posted on 03/22/2006 9:18:23 AM PST by B4Ranch (The truth is good for you, like sunlight, but too much all at once can really hurt.)
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To: nightdriver
I started subscribing to The New American while the Clintons were in the White House. Say what you will, but they were at least 6 months ahead of the MSM on many stories, and others never got a column inch from the likes of the NYT.

One thing I have noticed, is that their magazine takes one stance: that which is lawful under the Constitution.

Read that, then go back and read an issue or two of TNA.

You will find that despite offending your sensibilities on occasion, they have a good track record for being right.

I have seen no evidence of racism of any stripe, either.

What I really want to know is why so many here are willing one minute to refute chapter and verse what the MSM says, and the next minute they are clamoring to get on the Dino-Media bandwagon, especially when it comes to smearing a Conservative group?

79 posted on 03/22/2006 9:18:53 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: sinkspur
Before typing ignorant, uninformed libel about the JBS, why don't you go the JBS website, read a couple of issues of The New American, go to a couple of speeches given by Birchers and talk to a few members?...do some research...you might be surprised at what the JBS stands for.

No thanks.

In other words, don't be bothered actually substantiating any of your assertions of anti-Semitism and the like...

80 posted on 03/22/2006 9:19:09 AM PST by apologist
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