[JamesP81]

But it's nonsensical.

It's a common position among liberal church pastors and leaders who, despite all the trappings, probably don't read the Bible.

Actually, I think this underscores how creationists associate evolutionists with liberals. Not even counting the number of libs pushing evolution as a way to discredit Christianity, evolution is generally something that a great number of 'Christians' who think they're Christians because they go to church on Sunday (but subsequently act like the devil Monday through Saturday) tend to support. Rowan Williams is a good example of this. He's involved in druidism and paganism, which suggests he doesn't really believe the things in the Bible, or more likely, he wants the Bible to say something else so he ignores the parts of it that are inconvenient for him.

Don't get me wrong. There are some on fire Christians who accept evolution. But there are very, very few athiestic church attenders who call themselves Christians that subscribe to creationism and almost all of these accept evolution. It's not a two-way correlation (can't remember the term for that; it's been a few years since prob & stat back in the dark ages when I was a freshman in college).

I tend to think your personal motives aren't political. But it is an objective fact that the left is using evolution as a club against the church. Combine that with the fact that evos won't allow discussion of anything that might suggest something other than evolution in a school. It really leaves evos looking like left-wing nanny staters. And in many cases, it's true.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"But it is an objective fact that the left is using evolution as a club against the church."

"Truth is great and will prevail if left to herself." -- Thomas Jefferson

"Combine that with the fact that evos won't allow discussion of anything that might suggest something other than evolution in a school."

Why on Earth would you want to give the School boards, the NEA, and secular teachers in general the ability to posit Biblical Creation as a theory, rather than a truth, to school children?

That's going backward.

[blowfish]

But it is an objective fact that the left is using evolution as a club against the church.

Yeah: look at all the lawsuits the Darwinists have filed, clamoring to get Darwinism presented alongside the sermons at local churches.

[Thatcherite]

Don't get me wrong. There are some on fire Christians who accept evolution. But there are very, very few athiestic church attenders who call themselves Christians that subscribe to creationism and almost all of these accept evolution. It's not a two-way correlation

Now, you've said something very revealing here, but probably not in the way that you intended. You might care to ponder why it is that pretty much everyone who hasn't subscribed to your particular version of Christianity (or the fundy muslims) finds the evidence for evolution compelling.