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U.S. judge is asked to order housing for poor in suburbs
Baltimore Sun ^ | March 21, 2006 | Eric Siegel

Posted on 03/21/2006 3:38:23 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I imagine someone has their eye on the inner city property ripe for redevelopment, at the right government subsidized price of course.
If you take Amtrak through Baltimore you will see very large areas of boarded up row houses very close to downtown. The buildings are still standing, but they and the yards are trashed. Many years ago the city was trying to sell them for $1 each on the promise that the purchaser would fix it up. Looks like they still have a few square miles to go.
41 posted on 03/21/2006 5:04:09 AM PST by posterchild (Living a capitalist dream in a socialist 'paradise.')
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Social Engineering at its worst. Many Blacks in the inner cities become successful and move to the suburbs to get out of the inner city. Prince Georges County Maryland, and Dekalb County, Georgia are good examples of this. State intervention creates anomalies. This is what happened when school busing was forced on communities. The result, people that did not want their kids to go to school with inner city kids just left. This is true for white and black parents.
42 posted on 03/21/2006 5:09:11 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Last year I was doing some work on a very nice apartment complex in a suburb of Minneapolis. I asked the project manager why there were some junky looking cars in the parking lot of such an expensive place. He told me they had to allow a certain amount of low income people to live there to get the project approved. The people that paid full price were not too thrilled that some were living there for nothing.


43 posted on 03/21/2006 5:12:14 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: Fury

Pity the poor homeowners in any place like that. Watch their property values fall right through the floor.


44 posted on 03/21/2006 5:12:35 AM PST by Ronin
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
" So you see, the government needs to provide in one fashion or another in some people's thinking. "

This is precisely the attitude that was on display down in NOLA during Katrina.

It was painfully obvious that 'people' were gonna sit there and wait for the 'gov'ment' to come and take care of them. It was their 'right' and the gov'ment's 'job' to come to their rescue.

Nevermind that the water keeps rising, we'll just sit here and wait.

45 posted on 03/21/2006 5:13:17 AM PST by doberville
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To: shelterguy

I used to live in a condo complex like that.

Most of the units were owner-occupied, but there were lots of rentals too (I was one of those). A handful of others were set-asides for low-income or mentally incompetent people living on the state. Just enough riff-raff about to keep the place interesting.

One of the kooks once screamed through his window that he was going to kill me.

Good times.


46 posted on 03/21/2006 5:18:09 AM PST by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

3 is the most likely scenario.

I lived in an apartment in Baltimore County in an otherwise desirable location. The couple who lived below me were receiving some sort of subsidized senior housing. The boyfriend was on a medical disability and the girlfriend was a cashier at Michaels. There is no way they could have afforded the rent otherwise unless they were receiving subsidies. They were absolute lunatics and made life worse for the rest of the residents.

My guess is that developers who wish to build a subdivision with more than 300 town homes will have to build an apartment complex in the development if they want a permit.


47 posted on 03/21/2006 5:20:05 AM PST by az_illini (Don't cuff the invisible hand)
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To: Fury

Build the housing right next to the house of that judge.


48 posted on 03/21/2006 5:21:10 AM PST by Squat (Deport the illegals now! Turn Home Depot's into the prisons to hold the illegals!.)
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To: PeteB570

As a resident of Appalachia, I don't think so!


49 posted on 03/21/2006 5:24:19 AM PST by Roccus
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I'm up here in Baltimore, babysitting the grandbabies for my son/daughter-in-law. They are AD military (she is) and they can only afford a house in the inner city of Baltimore. They live on a fairly nice street, but the whole place just scares me and two younger sons.
So many people on the streets, just hanging around all day, no hope. This street, the young black men just hang out right out in front. They are polite and so helpful, but what are they doing out there???? My heart aches for them, they've never been taught to grab your chance, never learned much. ONe helped with the TV the other night and I was asking him about going in the military. He took the ASVAB for the Navy and failed it by 2 points. The Navy cut off it 35!!!!! I told him to try the Army (their cut off is 31 i think) I suggested tutoring. If i was going to be here, I'd tutor him. He's 24, 2 kids, no mama in the house, grandma raises them. He could turn his life around, or he could keep on and one day be 44 and still on the corner, drinking beer. He has a nowhere job, i think he could go for it.
Better we help each other than the gov't nanny state be expected to do it.
He's a really nice young man.


50 posted on 03/21/2006 5:32:34 AM PST by Shimmer128
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To: Shimmer128

oops, the Navy cutoff IS 35. not "it 35"
I wish the best to people who raise themselves up, even with help. 33 is an embarrassing score. (i didn't tell him that)


51 posted on 03/21/2006 5:34:24 AM PST by Shimmer128
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To: Shimmer128

See how different your approach to help is?

You want to change this man's life through education while poverty pimps merely want to relocate this man to another area.

You have faith in his ability. They do not.


52 posted on 03/21/2006 5:36:01 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: BooksForTheRight.com

The Democrats hate white people (in my best Kanye West voice)


53 posted on 03/21/2006 5:40:07 AM PST by Aznar5
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To: sgtbono2002
neighborhoods as whites move out. Its been going on for 50 years and they still cant see it. Tell you what--- Move Baltimore blacks to Montgomery County.

Montgomery County is already very integrated, the result of people moving where they can afford the housing. This is the way that integration works, not by moving public housing projects from one jurisdiction to another. That sounds like busing, which did not work very well either.

54 posted on 03/21/2006 5:43:03 AM PST by Freee-dame
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To: Fury
You will see flight from whatever suburb such a housing project is placed - count on it.

Don't you think that is the point? What happens when there is great "sell pressure" placed on a neighborhood? The prices go down so that a different element of people can obtain financing.

What the judges never seem to address is the fact that life-long dependancy on welfare is its own distinct culture with its own needs. Low cost versions of everything need to find their way into the neighborhood. For instance, affluent people generally own cars that are under manufacturer's warranty and will often be repaired by the dealer - not so with the poor who buy those cars second or third hand, often failing to maintain them so that parking-lots are now SuperFund sights, road shoulders are now ad-hoc extended term parking, and if one actually uses a garage, it must be a low-cost (translation: South-o-the-border mechanics). Your grocery stores must change for the new demographic so that WIC approved foods of ethnic sensitivity are replacing other brands on the shelf. And what does a welfare recipient do all day? (other than sleep, do drugs, procreate and watch Oprah) Here come the nail salons, liquor stores, and Food Stamp Approved Church's Chicken and KFC joints.

Since welfare recipients often keep their hoodlum relatives under the same roof, your parks transform, store-front police stations show up around the neighborhood, bus stops that weren't there before spring up like mushrooms after a rain. And since welfare recipients are not producers but only consumers, a whole new class of "low wage" employees will infiltrate the neighborhood to operate the labor side of businesses that cater to this crowd - and they have to live somewhere so some of the nearby multi-family housing just gets downgraded some as unit after unit turns into a clown house.

Then those who moved away from all of this rot that is normally associated with urban centers, then think: "Should I move out even further or should I look into getting a downtown loft?"

55 posted on 03/21/2006 5:48:16 AM PST by Shomer (More Great News and Insights From The Blue Bird of F'ing Joy)
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To: doberville
It was painfully obvious that 'people' were gonna sit there and wait for the 'gov'ment' to come and take care of them. It was their 'right' and the gov'ment's 'job' to come to their rescue.

And that is just what happened. Does stupid fit the rest of us?

56 posted on 03/21/2006 5:53:18 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Graybeard58

It's following the precident of the Brown vs. Board of Education. Public housing is discriminatory because it segregates blacks into racial ghettos. This activist judge likens it to ethnic cleansing. The solution is to mandate that blacks be relocated to middle class neighborhoods just like bussing was orcdered by SCOTUS. HUD needs to appeal this decision ASAP. Just wait until houses in the suburbs get bought by HUD and turned into Section 8 housing and all the problems these lowlifes brign with it.


57 posted on 03/21/2006 5:59:10 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Crap, more refugees from Maryland will flood over the Pennsylvania line.
58 posted on 03/21/2006 6:00:08 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Memogate - Dan Rathers Little Big Horn.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

O'malley is opposing this? Hmmm...you'd think it would make him politically vulnerable with the city, but I suspect the suburbs are adding more to his campaign ocffers.


59 posted on 03/21/2006 6:02:59 AM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Shomer

Great post.


60 posted on 03/21/2006 6:03:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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