Creationist draws large crowd

York Daily Record (York, PA) ^ | 18 March 2006 | TERESA MCMINN

[Greg o the Navy]

Mar 18, 2006 — In a back row of a packed auditorium, seventh-grader Matt Frysinger and his two friends each sat with a skateboard positioned vertically between their knees and the floor. The boys had been skating in the area when they saw a sign promoting a "Creation Seminar" outside Dover Area High School.

[gondramB]

"I don't care what you are. there is no proof of it."

I'm not the right kind of scientist to say that definitively.
I get the feeling you are not either, in much the same way that neither is likely qualified to say whether a complex mathematical proof is done correctly.

We both have to rely on others and I trust the scientific community on science.

[jennyp]

Man did evolve from monkeys or a common ancestor.

Wait - are you saying we DID evolve, or is that a typo?

[labette]

If you were going to post a pic as evidence of a flood, you should have considered this one. {honest suggestion}

Figure 96: Transported Block. This large block, made of a very hard, dense material called quartzite, was lifted hundreds of feet, transported horizontally, and deposited on layers which, at the time, were soft mud. Other mud layers then blanketed the block. Notice how the layers were deformed below the lower right corner and above the upper left corner. The easiest way to lift and transport such a heavy block is in a liquefied (and therefore, very buoyant), sand/mud/water mixture. The location of the block relative to its source is shown in Figure 95.22

Apparently, this quartzite block was transported in a sliding sedimentary slurry above the Cambrian-Precambrian interface during the compression event. Peak decelerations occurred in the layers below the sliding slurry. This included the quartzite layer. The sudden deceleration and compression tipped those layers up, allowing them to be beveled off by the overriding layers. (Evolutionists explain the absolutely flat Cambrian-Precambrian interface as a result of hundreds of millions of years of erosion.)

[b_sharp]

"Marvin Lubenow shows that the various alleged ‘apemen’ do not form a smooth sequence in evolutionary ‘ages,’ but overlap considerably.4 For example, the timespan of Homo sapiens fossils contains the timespan of the fossils of Homo erectus, supposedly our ancestor."

Does your live span overlap with your parents and your children? How about your cousins?

This is truly a strawman creation.

Speciation is a result of cessation of gene flow, not the extinction of the parent or sister population (depending on speciation type and circumstance).

"Also, when the various fossils are analyzed in depth, they turn out not to be transitional or even mosaic."

Cites!

" First, ancient languages were actually extremely complex with many different inflections. There is no hint of any build-up from simpler languages.

Really? Most modern languages, including American English (which is different from English English), adopt words, phrases and names from other languages. Even modern North American Aboriginal languages show influences from neighbouring nations.

"For example, in the Indo-European family, Sanskrit, Classical Greek and Latin had many different noun inflections for different case, gender, and number, while verbs were inflected for tense, voice, number, and person. Modern descendants of these languages have greatly reduced the number of inflections, i.e., the trend is from complex to simpler, the opposite of evolution. English has almost completely lost inflections, retaining just a few like the possessive ‘s.’

A reduction of complexity is not an argument against evolution but an argument for the evolution of language.

English is losing the number of inflections and the size of the vocabulary, however there is an increase in the number of meanings for words used and an increase in the importance of contextual placement of words. Complexity is not decreasing (not that it matters, change is evolution is change) but changing form.

"English has also lost 65–85 percent of the Old English vocabulary, and many Classical Latin words have also been lost from its descendants, the Romance languages (Spanish, French, Italian, etc.).

This sounds suspiciously like language evolving.

"Second, most of the changes were not random, but the result of intelligence. For example: forming compound words by joining simple words and derivations, by adding prefixes and suffixes, by modification of meaning, and by borrowing words from other languages including calques (a borrowed compound word where each component is translated and then joined). There are also unconscious, but definitely non-random, changes such as systematic sound shifts, for example those described by Grimm’s law (which relates many Germanic words to Latin and Greek words).

English 1000AD

Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum
si þin nama gehalgod
tobecume þin rice
gewurþe þin willa
on eorðan swa swa on heofonum
urne gedæghwamlican hlaf syle us to dæg
and forgyf us ure gyltas
swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum
and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge
ac alys us of yfele soþlice.

1384

Oure fadir þat art in heuenes halwid be þi name;
þi reume or kyngdom come to be.
Be þi wille don in herþe as it is doun in heuene.
yeue to us today oure eche dayes bred.
And foryeue to us oure dettis þat is oure synnys as we foryeuen to oure dettouris þat is to men þat han synned in us.
And lede us not into temptacion but delyuere us from euyl.

1611
Our father which art in heauen,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth as it is in heauen.
Giue us this day our daily bread.
And forgiue us our debts as we forgiue our debters.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliuer us from euill.
Amen.

It seems pretty obvious that language does evolve and that the changes are not intentional as the author of the original post would have us believe. The majority of language changes are not due to intentional changes but through random unintentional misconstruction of sentences and mispronunciations of words. As shown by France a few years ago, both spelling and pronunciation need to be changed in dictionaries to keep pace with common usage.

[Junior]

We both have to rely on others and I trust the scientific community on science.

Dude, don't you know they're a bunch of godless communist Nazis?

[Californiajones]

""Hooray for the junior college all-stars!!! /sarc""

Grad school and University Prof here, and I know God made us from scratch.

We are to have dominion over animals and not act like them.

Either God is God and He can make whatever He wants whenever and however He wants -- or not.

He didn't need Evolution to create all this beauty.

Evolution is man's attempt to limit God --

It's only men without enough faith to honor God that need to promote "scientific" EvoThink. Too scary for Evos to think God is THAT wonderful, magnificent, omnipresent, omniscient -- (and did I say wonderful?) -- to have created everything in the universe and then, died for our own personal sins. Yet, if God is who He says He is in the Bible, this is precisely who He is.

Evos are just too scared to deal with that ultimate logic, a logic that compels us to be as He commands us to come to Him: as little children.

Considering the enormity of comprehending that God made the sweetness of every fruit we eat, knows the number of hairs on our heads, as well as figured out how to keep the planets in orbit, the sun on fire, etc., etc., Evos are just scared.

As C.S. Lewis once wrote about the atheist who suddenly realizes there is a personal God of the universe -- it's like realizing you've got a ghost in your room with you.

To all Evos -- you've got a ghost in the room. A Holy Ghost. Act accordingly.

[gondramB]

Me: "We both have to rely on others and I trust the scientific community on science."

Junior: "Dude, don't you know they're a bunch of godless communist Nazis?"

Let's hope not - we count on them for everything from new weapon systems to fighting epidemics and faster microprocessors.

[b_sharp]

"Actually, if evolution were true there would be many millions of transitional fossils of life forms with partially formed limbs, nubs, etc..

Why?

"And because some ape fossils look like humans falls way short of transitionals. It could very well have been an ape type animal unto itself.

They were all ape-like animals,...but then again... so are we. In fact we are apes

"There are alot of credible eyewitnesses that have seen bigfoot which if the bones were found the evolutionist would likely think it was a transitional fossil.

Would you care to describe what a transitional organism should look like?

[jennyp]

Grad school and University Prof here, and I know God made us from scratch.

Professor of what, and at what kind of university?

[VadeRetro]

Figure 96: Transported Block. This large block, made of a very hard, dense material called quartzite, was lifted hundreds of feet, transported horizontally, and deposited on layers which, at the time, were soft mud.

One or two layers were soft mud, all those many layers below obviously weren't. How does that happen in your flood story?

It may or may not be necessary to postulate a water transport for that block as well. More information from a trustworthy, non-creatonist source would be needed before I would conclude it didn't just roll downhill.

[Central Scrutiniser]

Evolution is man's attempt to limit God --

Creationism is religion's attempt to quash science and reason.

[b_sharp]

"Makes you wonder about Preparation A thru G."

I'd laugh, but it hurts when I sit.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

He went on to call evolution the "dumbest and the most dangerous religion in the history of the earth."

I agree with this, and because it is correct you can expect to be attacked by the Truebelievers shortly.

You agree with this because you've bought into the Amish idea that knowledge is evil. Yet your hypocrisy is on display by your posting on a computer on a computer network.

According to Hovind, computers can't exist. The knowledge required to build them is the same as that used in radiometric dating.

Fortunately, those of us Christians who live in God's creation can cover for you.

[b_sharp]

"It has never been shown ANYWHERE where usefull DNA is GAINED and results in an improvement. And there never will be.

I suggest you check into polyploidy.

"Read some newer material. "

Read some science.

You might also check into the methods used by science.

[gondramB]

"He didn't need Evolution to create all this beauty.

Evolution is man's attempt to limit God --"

He didn't need to but it certainly appears he did in fact use evolution as well as a complex yet elegant set of physical laws.

[Californiajones]

Cal State. Ivy League education, Grad School UC. Why?

My academic credentials are superb, Jenny doll. And I'd love to girl talk it with you about your EvoThink problem but got a deadline and gotta run.

[balrog666]

To all Evos -- you've got a ghost in the room. A Holy Ghost. Act accordingly.

Praise Vishnu! Oh, wait... praise Thor!

[Coyoteman]

" I know a bit about rocks. I know a lot about soils and what you might find in them. Sorry, no global flood."

You'd be very wrong. Try reading a little. I don't want to have to cut and paste. It seems that it bothers you when somewone else does it.

Only unattributed cuts are a problem. When you do research and cite your sources it is scholarship.

On the reading, I can to better than that: personal experience. I have done archaeology in the western US for 35 years. We know soils, and the things that are found in soils. There is a complete, unbroken record of human occupation for over 10,000 years in this area.

If there was a global flood 4,300 years ago, with population and faunal replacement from one site in the Near East, there would be a record of that in the soils and in the mtDNA; there would be a severe break in the fauna and flora; and there would be sedimentological evidence.

None of these exist in this area. Instead we have a nice progression and development in all of these areas, unbroken by a global flood. Sorry.

[PresbyRev]

"I know God made us from scratch."

---

You believe God 'made us from scratch,' - you don't know.

There is a fundamental difference between belief and knowledge.

[jennyp]

Cal State. Ivy League education, Grad School UC. Why?

Thanks. I was also wondering what you were a professor in.

My academic credentials are superb, Jenny doll. And I'd love to girl talk it with you

I'll bet your female students love it when you talk to them that way. :-)