Creationist draws large crowd

York Daily Record (York, PA) ^ | 18 March 2006 | TERESA MCMINN

[Greg o the Navy]

Mar 18, 2006 — In a back row of a packed auditorium, seventh-grader Matt Frysinger and his two friends each sat with a skateboard positioned vertically between their knees and the floor. The boys had been skating in the area when they saw a sign promoting a "Creation Seminar" outside Dover Area High School.

[Greg o the Navy]

DU trolls note: It's nice to see an event that drives the Darwinists, secular humanists, ACLU and the liberals under their respective slimy rocks.

[gondramB]

"DU trolls note: It's nice to see an event that drives the Darwinists, secular humanists, ACLU and the liberals under their respective slimy rocks."

I don't see any reason this event should upset anybody - they hold all kinds of optional evens at schools.

Now, Hovind is nutty but he's entertaining - if you haven't seen him its worth downloading a couple of videos.

He's entitled to free speech just so long as we don't teach junk science in science class.

[AntiGuv]

Are these people paying to be stupidified, or are they getting the gift for free?

[PatrickHenry]

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[inquest]

He's entitled to free speech just so long as we don't teach junk science in science class.

That was also the basic thinking behind the law that Scopes was put on trial for violating.

[Coyoteman]

It's nice to see an event that drives the Darwinists, secular humanists, ACLU and the liberals under their respective slimy rocks.

I am a scientist who (in the past) has studied evolution; my rock is not slimy, but thanks for the kind thought.

[narby]

Wonder how much Hovind gets paid for his standup routine?

[gondramB]

Me: "He's entitled to free speech just so long as we don't teach junk science in science class.

inquest: "That was also the basic thinking behind the law that Scopes was put on trial for violating."

Except their method of determining if something was junk science was whether it agreed with medieval interpretations of the Bible.

[balch3]

Darwinism on the run Bump!

[Bismark]

He went on to call evolution the "dumbest and the most dangerous religion in the history of the earth."

I agree with this, and because it is correct you can expect to be attacked by the Truebelievers shortly. A word of advise: don't bother getting into the mud with them. They can use your prayers.

[sirchtruth]

He's entitled to free speech just so long as we don't teach junk science in science class.

Yeah, like say an ape evolving to man...I wouldn't call that Junk science as much as I would call it Pure T. B.S.!

[gondramB]

"Yeah, like say an ape evolving to man...I wouldn't call that Junk science as much as I would call it Pure T. B.S.!"

Well, it's not my field but as I understand it, apes did not evolve into humans but rather they had a common ancestor.

[jennyp]

According to several in the crowd of more than 600, Hovind's charisma and humor got his message across: "The universe was created by God."

"Everybody's fighting over it," Frysinger, a 13-year-old who attends Dover's intermediate school, said of evolution versus creation.

"Actually, what he's saying is true," his brother, Chris Frysinger, 15, said of Hovind's lecture. "He knows what he's talking about. You can hear it in his voice."

I remember when I was that age. I was always good at science & math, but when it came to things outside that sphere my beliefs could be changed any time the speaker sounded sincere & passionate enough. It wasn't until later that something clicked, and I understood that factual claims have to be verified, and conclusions actually have to be logical, and large swathes of what you know about the world cannot contradict each other. It got easier & easier for me not to be snowed by slick salesmen like Hovind.

[RightWhale]

Hovind is still the best of a continuously evolving school.

[Jeff Gordon]

Typical sting operation.

[inquest]

It doesn't matter what their "method" was. Either Scopes' freedom of speech was violated, or it wasn't. It makes no difference whether the speech in question was orthodox or heterodox.

[jennyp]

Yeah, like say an ape evolving to man...I wouldn't call that Junk science as much as I would call it Pure T. B.S.!

Then I'm sure you can tell us which of the transitional fossils that keep getting posted in these threads are really just old apes & which are just old humans.

[labette]

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,"?

[jennyp]

Which of the following are "just an old ape" and which are "just an old human"? Try it, it's fun!

Figure 1.4.4. Fossil hominid skulls. Some of the figures have been modified for ease of comparison (only left-right mirroring or removal of a jawbone). (Images © 2000 Smithsonian Institution.)

(A) Pan troglodytes, chimpanzee, modern
(B) Australopithecus africanus, STS 5, 2.6 My
(C) Australopithecus africanus, STS 71, 2.5 My
(D) Homo habilis, KNM-ER 1813, 1.9 My
(E) Homo habilis, OH24, 1.8 My
(F) Homo rudolfensis, KNM-ER 1470, 1.8 My
(G) Homo erectus, Dmanisi cranium D2700, 1.75 My
(H) Homo ergaster (early H. erectus), KNM-ER 3733, 1.75 My
(I) Homo heidelbergensis, "Rhodesia man," 300,000 - 125,000 y
(J) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Ferrassie 1, 70,000 y
(K) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Chappelle-aux-Saints, 60,000 y
(L) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, Le Moustier, 45,000 y
(M) Homo sapiens sapiens, Cro-Magnon I, 30,000 y
(N) Homo sapiens sapiens, modern