[philetus]

You are implying that no one would be shut of it.. if they could live through it.. I don't believe that for a minute."


To be a muslim, you obey the koran. The koran is the holy book of islam.The koran says,to be a muslim you will think, practice, do,specific things.
Nowhere in the koran does it say if you don't think, practice, do, specific things, that you are still a muslim.
In fact, it says you are kufr and you will be killed.

[Das Outsider]

To be a muslim, you obey the koran. The koran is the holy book of islam.The koran says,to be a muslim you will think, practice, do,specific things.

Yes, like reading the true Qur'an in the sophisticated Gulf Arabic. English is not Qur'an, and therefore is not really Qur'an, i.e., the true words of the Prophet. Islam is not the inclusive, peaceloving religion that so many Lefties (and a few from the rightward persuasion) imagine it to be.

Nowhere in the koran does it say if you don't think, practice, do, specific things, that you are still a muslim. In fact, it says you are kufr and you will be killed.

You are kufar. I am kufar. When Abdul does not worship in the mosque, make alms, or makes friends with pagans or unbelievers, he is an infidel--to be lumped in with the kufar.

[dalight]

Thats my point.. a Muslim isn't free to choose.. or even express dissent without the real threat of death looming.. don't assume that someone who is required to believe something, does. Just like under other totalitarian systems, people have an inner life that is not owned by the state or the book they must praise or die for not accepting.

One might believe that many many Muslims, would choose not to be held thrall under this horrid system. My point is that they don't have a choice, and folks like you lumping everyone together just assumes that they do.