If you Google Karl+Rove+Gay you'll get more than 4,000,000 hits. Must mean there's something to it, eh? Or, maybe it's all just tin foil like your Codex paranoia.
Codex Alimentaris) in Europe that will eliminate the free choice Americans now have to purchase vitamins, herbs, minerals, homeopathic remedies, aminoacids and nutritional supplements. This elimination of all competition for the pharmaceutical industry will produce an enormous increase in the already exorbitant profits earned by the pharmaceutical firms (LOL!!)
There are people here who actually think that thugs from some NGO are going to kick in their front door and seize their vitamins and other supplements. Just bizarre. I guess no one stops to think that just because some NGO wants us to do something doesn't mean we have to. This is nothing more than anti-pharmeceutical conspiratorial nonsense. BTW, your link says vitamins will be banned by June 2005. Are they meeting some resistance or is it just taking more time to collude with big pharma on how they're going to take our vitamins away?
The FDA accomplishes virtually nothing to protect the consumer.
That's just more nonsense from someone who has a very limited understanding of the FDA.
It protects big business by means about which you are clearly misinformed.
Good grief! The FDA has nothing to gain from supporting business. You say they do and then accuse me of being misinformed. If you're right, why does the FDA allow patents to expire before approvals are given resulting in businesses losing their entire R&D investment? Good thing developing new drugs isn't very costly. ROFLOL! Is FDA protection also why our vaccine industry went south? Is FDA protection why the banning of saccharine, based on junk science, ruined an entire industry? All these things occurred because the FDA is protecting big business? Like I said, it requires special tin foil to believe crap like that.
Still, you could have learned how regulation controls access to markets and resources.
If there was no competition or if there were no entrepreneurs bringing new products to market you might have a case. Unfortunately for you, there are many promising technologies coming from start ups and the pharma and food industries are falling over each other to buy them. I see the acquisitions all the time. The VC's are actively funding these folks so the FDA is doing a piss poor job of limiting competition. Again, I am speaking only to the food and pharmaceutical industries. Medical devices may be different but I doubt it. My brother-in-law got rich selling his medical technology start up to J&J. He now consults on other ventures in the medical device business and, I'm sure, he'd take issue with everything you've tried to pass off here since they have more legitimate opportunities now than they can manage.
Its employees would beg to differ with you.
Are you referring to the disgruntled employees? When was the last time anyone at the FDA was convicted of selling their influence to big business? I don't remember anything recent and I doubt if it happens much at all.
No, I SAID they exist to protect their investors.
The FDA exists to protect the millions of people who own stock in pharmaceutical companies? Wow. Looking at their recent performance I'd say the FDA is doing a pretty crappy job. As a shareholder of big pharmaceutical, who should I complain to that the FDA is not doing enough to support my interests?
They build it up, reap the cash, talk it up so that the bag-holders buy, drive it down and consolidate. Then they pump it up again. Etc. Investors.
And this is coordinated by all the people who are invested in these stocks? It has nothing to do with current earnings, future earnings or what promising drugs they have in the pipeline? Instead, you liken it to a mob style pump and dump scam that leaves the little guy holding the bag? Like I said....it takes very special tin foil...
You sound just like an oil company executive with no clue how the energy business is manipulated.
Nope. I'm just a guy in the food industry who happens to know what the hell he's talking about. Tin foilers must hate it when they run into people like me on these threads because we throw a wrench into their fabricated world view. Someone with your background should know better. That you don't is a sad commentary indeed. I'll bet it helps you sell books to those who are truly ignorant on the subject though.
I thought you might learn something from that post, but you're clearly so deeply entrenched in your battles that you can't see the big picture.
Hardly. I participate here to learn more and would have been glad to glean something useful from your posts. Unfortunately, I find that you are uniquely unqualified to be offering anyone a lesson on the FDA and their relationship with the food or pharmaceutical industries.
No, there are people here who think that the FDA will move to have vitamins turned into controlled substances dispensed only by prescription. The black market and the raids come after that.
I guess no one stops to think that just because some NGO wants us to do something doesn't mean we have to.
The WTO is a lot more than an NGO.
BTW, your link says vitamins will be banned by June 2005.
My link? That was Google's link. I just took the first five to show you that there is a concern that YOU SAID DIDN'T EXIST. It was, in that respect, an unbiased sample, something of which you appear incapable of recognizing.
That's just more nonsense from someone who has a very limited understanding of the FDA.
There is nothing the FDA does that the market couldn't do, other than provide cover for the producers. In that respect, it accomplishes nothing.
The FDA has nothing to gain from supporting business.
Oh really? Without them they don't have jobs. Find me a bureaucrat who doesn't care about job security.
This is nothing more than anti-pharmeceutical conspiratorial nonsense.
Yours is nothing more than handwaving.
Is FDA protection also why our vaccine industry went south?
No, price regulation is the principle culprit. It consoldiated the market very nicley.
Is FDA protection why the banning of saccharine, based on junk science, ruined an entire industry?
Are you asserting that other artificial sweeteners don't exist?
I don't remember anything recent and I doubt if it happens much at all. If there was no competition or if there were no entrepreneurs bringing new products to market you might have a case. Unfortunately for you, there are many promising technologies coming from start ups and the pharma and food industries are falling over each other to buy them. I see the acquisitions all the time.
Yours is a contradictory argument. I said there were barriers to entry that favor big pharma. Small companies cannot afford to enter the market alone SO THEY MUST SELL OUT to big companies who can afford market entry. Yup, that's how it works to consolidate OWNERSHIP. OTOH, if regulations were local a local supplier could try something and if it worked get bigger. Such a system could actually provide better statistical information and limit total liability compared to a nationwide introduction. For a State willing to offer liability laws that were less draconian, there would be more pharmaceutical entrepreneurship. QED.
When was the last time anyone at the FDA was convicted of selling their influence to big business?
I never said it worked that way.
And this is coordinated by all the people who are invested in these stocks? It has nothing to do with current earnings, future earnings or what promising drugs they have in the pipeline?
Symptoms are not the disease.
The FDA exists to protect the millions of people who own stock in pharmaceutical companies?
"Millions of people" don't control large blocks of voting stock. To suggest otherwise is pure smoke.
I'm just a guy in the food industry who happens to know what the hell he's talking about.
I've qualified product for the USDA as well. No you don't.
Unfortunately, I find that you are uniquely unqualified to be offering anyone a lesson on the FDA and their relationship with the food or pharmaceutical industries.
Just keep narrowing those categories and you might actually have a claim.