[wardaddy]

what it means is that these goy women in question have weak or no faith.

for Jews...in my observations...it's usually not about "faith" unless very Orthodox

it's more about continuing the identity bloodline


not that I fault that....I prefer to do the same actually but I don't expect others to.

but no doubt Christian women in general whether they convert or not tend to be less strident than Jewish women in my experience....but Southern Jewish women at least when I was in high school and college were not really any different

i'm not sure why that is...i explained upthread that I used to think it was because so many Jews here are Eastern European and that was a cultural thing but having known many Poles and Ukrainians and Russians since....I no longer believe that.

I think there is a cultural tradition in recent Ashkenazim Jewish life that promotes women who challenge...being raised in the South with few Jews....the strident Mom was about the only distinguishing characteristic in Jewish families different from my Baptist one. Christian women in the South are more passive aggressive...simply something I'm more used to.

But I used to be attracted to witty demanding Jewish women...something different I reckon...and I was sure different to them too in NYC.

You get older....and the hormones wane....I like my companionship easier.....and sharing the same culture over child rearing is another biggie.

[vwunpimsmyride]

"I think there is a cultural tradition in recent Ashkenazim Jewish life that promotes women who challenge..."

In Judaism it is important for the woman to speak up and challenge anything the man may be doing wrong. But Ashkenazim women do take to an extreme. The term JAP (Jewish American Princess) relates to this kind of extreme behavior.

If a Jewish woman (or any other woman) can challenge but do it in a feminine way then I all for it.

[ScubieNuc]

I'll take your word for it. Like I said before, I don't have any first hand dealings with Jewish men or women.

My own personal take on the Men/Women dating issue is that culture is directing marriage and relationships more then faith. We are a culture of what's best for me, and I need it now.

Of course, I'm not immune to it, but I am glad, in alot of ways, that I got married young (barely 21). When my wife and I talk about all the infidelity around us, I remark on how it's hard for me to miss, what I never had. Meaning, I was never with anyone, other than my wife. Does, that mean I am never tempted? No, but the desire to keep what is unique between us, special, is much harder to break.

Marriage and relationships are a creation of God, and if we don't follow his owners manual, then we are looking for some heart aches. In this way the article reflects that the Jewish faith is as much affected by materialism as any other American faith. Even in Christian relationships, people are more concerned over physical attributes and material gain, then asking, "Is this person my spiritual mate for life?"

I can tell you from my own life, that as a young-un, I was primarily looking at the outside package. However, I now recognize that my wife is so much more then that. I can't imagine living a multiple partner life for 10 or more years, and then trying to settle down with someone who has to fit a precise shopping list.

Marriage is about changing togather into a separate entity. That's why the Bible says, "two shall become one."

Well, anyway, that's my two cent rant.

Sincerely