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To: DannyTN
"...Until someone explains what the bill was really supposed to do, I view this as just a publicity stunt and probably the 45 that voted against it are the worst kind of politicians..."

I'll do my best. The surplus money collected from our paychecks is currently being used to fund an orgy of overspending that will devastate this country financially in a very few years.

Many on this forum, as well as I, have proposed that this money be put into an actual investment fund, rather than the farce of a huge drawer full of government IOU's.

If this money was used to fund FANNIE MAE mortgages, where homeowners will not only repay it, but actually pay REAL interest on the money, then FANNIE MAE would not be lending out money that instead increasingly comes from Arab and other foreign investors.

The huge amount of home loan interest being paid by American homeowners would not, therefore, flow out of the country to the pockets of hostile investors, but would rather begin to multiply through the force of compounding, into a fund which would ACTUALLY be able to provide retirement income.

I believe that if Americans knew that a constantly increasing amount of the home loan money in this country is coming from overseas, and the loans provided (and the risk undertaken by the Arab lenders) is guaranteed by our tax dollars, while at the same time our politicians mandate that the same opportunity CANNOT be made available to our own citizens... a pitchforks and torches moment would immediately ensue.

Imagine that the $400 to $600 you pay in Social Security every month, funded home mortgages such as the one in which you are paying that $ 800 or so for, each month. You would be in effect paying yourself all of the interest. And each month that you continue paying into the account, that you, and millions of other Americans would be bundling that money into yet more loans to Americans, who would add interest to that investment pool.

What absolute meatheads we all are to have let the powers to be tell us that we cannot have a REAL investment retirement program, because that would drain away the extra money that Senator Byrd needs to build yet more concrete monuments to himself.

By the time people wise up, we will no longer own this country.

86 posted on 03/18/2006 5:09:55 PM PST by pickrell (Old dog, new trick...sort of)
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To: pickrell
"Many on this forum, as well as I, have proposed that this money be put into an actual investment fu"

Many on this forum, as well as I, have proposed that this money be put into an actual investment fund"

Did this bill provide an alternate investing plan for social security, or did it simply mandate the Federal Government to stop borrowing from Social Security?

A one sided bill is nothing but an irresponsible publicity stunt.

"and the loans provided ... is guaranteed by our tax dollars"

I don't think that's true. Fannie Maes do not have the backing of the Tax payer and are not a debt of the U.S. government but only the Fannie Mae agency, which could be allowed to fail. See the following

Smacking Fannie Mae"

That's why Fannie Mae securities trade at a premium to Gov't securities, because there is more risk involved.

Do you really want to move social security to higher risk securities that do not have the full backing of the gov't?

Sure you could get a little higher interest rate, but the total debt demanded between the U.S. Gov't and Fannie Mae would be the same. So if you shifted Social Security the spread between the two would probably narrow and then the foreigners would simply be buying the U.S. Gov't securities instead of Fannie Mae's. I don't think you make a very signficant difference, except that social security would now be subject to Real Estate market bubbles and those bubbles will be exasperated by the Federal dollars that would now be flowing into Fannie Mae securities.

111 posted on 03/18/2006 7:17:53 PM PST by DannyTN
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