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Rudy's '08 Hint In Iowa
New York Post ^ | March 18, 2006 | Deborah Orin

Posted on 03/18/2006 9:38:27 AM PST by UncleSamUSA

March 18, 2006 -- WASHINGTON - Rudy Giuliani will soon make a pilgrimage to the politically potent state of Iowa - the first stop in the presidential nominating process - fueling further speculation that he's eyeing a 2008 bid, The Post has learned.

The official reason for Giuliani's trip is to star at a May 1 "Get Motivated" leadership seminar that's already being advertised in The Des Moines Register.

But the trip to Iowa, site of the first presidential nominating caucus, has much bigger symbolic value for Giuliani. "It tells us, at a minimum, that he's looking to keep his options open - and, at a maximum, [that] he's looking to interview people to run his Iowa operation," said Republican strategist Rich Galen, who helped run Iowa for President Bush's dad.

deborah.orin@nypost.com

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; babykiller; corrupt; elections; giuliani; giuliani2008; goombah; iowa2008; rino; rudygiuliani
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To: Reagan Man

Reagan worked with and supported Republicans with whom he was not in complete agreement. He even made a point of NOT criticising fellow republicans to the point of calling it the "Eleventh Commandment"

Reagan would support Guliani in a heartbeat if he were the nominee. Reagan would NEVER encourage republicans to desert his party OR sit our an election.

Conservatives since his day have shown a destructive willingness to allow the Treaon Media dictate their choices. Ninety two is a good example wherein the media used a concentrated attack on the President because of his tax policy. It was so destructive that it was able to convert a huge AND JUSTIFIED spproval rating into a defict.

Like Pavlov's dogs the right jumped on cue into disaster and inflicted the Scumbag on us. We have been paying the price ever since because of the stupidity of the right in deserting Bush. That brainless reaction weakened National Security and directly led to 911 and the wars in Afganistan and Iraq and a vast increase in terrorist power across the globe. Great Job.

In Ninety six the Treason media put Clinton back in office by distorting the meaning of the OKC bombing.


201 posted on 03/20/2006 12:41:53 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: UncleSamUSA

I wonder what dress he'll be wearing?

Will he be looking for the votes of illegal aliens in Iowa too?

How about the Iowa gun-owners?


202 posted on 03/20/2006 12:45:34 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Allen's inability to see through Cindy Sheehans nonsense means he is not ready for Prime Time. Unfortunate but that is a fact.

How does Allen, saying he thought GWB should meet with Shaheen translate into his "inability to see through" her?
President Ronald Reagan received Helen Caldicott in the Oval Office. Was he also not "ready for Prime Time"?

Your comments are all the more ironic when one reads your tag line.

203 posted on 03/20/2006 12:46:01 PM PST by jla
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To: justshutupandtakeit
>>>>Reagan would support Guliani in a heartbeat if he were the nominee.

BULLoney.

You obviously aren't familiar with the history of the so-called, Eleventh Commandment. Reagan did not create the phrase, Eleventh Commandment. Instead it came about during his 1966 run for the California Governorship.

"The personal attacks against me during the primary finally became so heavy that the state Republican chairman, Gaylord Parkinson, postulated what he called the Eleventh Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican. It's a rule I followed during that campaign and have ever since."

Reagan actually broke that promise when he ran against PresFord for the GOP nomination in 1976. Reagan criticized Ford during the primary season, and right up through and including the GOP convention. Reagan was a gentleman. He wanted everyone to like him and vote for him, but when the chips were on the table, Reagan was a tough SOB. Ford found that out in 1976. George Bush found out how tough Reagan was in the 1980 campaign for President. Jimmah and Fritz discovered what a political fighter Reagan was in 80&84.

I'll leave you with this thought. If RudiG were to win the GOP nomination and go onto win the general election, he would be the most liberal POTUS ever elected in US history. More liberal then FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ, Carter and even more liberal then, "der schlickmeister", William Jefferson Clinton.

204 posted on 03/20/2006 1:08:28 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man
I'd say the definition mainstream vs Hard right social conservative boils down to 2 of the social issues.

Hard right demands that a candidate be 100% pro-life no exceptions.

A constitutional ban on gay marrage.

the rest of the issues do not have a litmus test.

Although Rudy will prolly get no votes from the far right he will get the rest.
205 posted on 03/20/2006 1:16:01 PM PST by Blackirish (Happy St. Pats.)
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To: Blackirish

The debate was over mainstream conservatives versus ultra right wing. Ultra right wing in my book are John Birch Society extremists. They may constitute 1/4%-1/2% of all voters. Religious, social and cultural conservatives are very much fiscal mainstream conservatives. Religious, social and cultural conservatives are the base of the GOP. I don't see that conservative base giving RudiG the GOP primary nomination. Not now, not ever.


206 posted on 03/20/2006 1:45:15 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: FRONTLINER

bttt


207 posted on 03/20/2006 1:46:00 PM PST by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: jla

Allen's inability to see through Sheehan was made manifest by that remark since it was well known to ANY who had not started to run his mouth before knowing what he was talking about Bush had already met with her.

It was clear that she was nothing but a Leftist tool with no real reason to meet with the president except to spit in his face.

Caldercoot was no Cindy Sheehag. And she was not by herself when meeting with the president. Apples and oranges.


208 posted on 03/20/2006 4:45:15 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Reagan Man

REagan turned right around and supported President Ford. He did not go off and sulk when other republicans won. Or threaten to sit out elections or vote third party.

You have never heard me claim REagan was not tough. Though he certainly did not stand up to the Islamic terrorists in Beirut.

Guiliani would be tough as nails fighting the Nation's enemies that is nothing a real liberal would do. And you speculation regarding Rudy's relative degree of liberalism is only that which is contrary to reality.


209 posted on 03/20/2006 4:50:03 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Whose sulking? Not me.

>>>>Though he certainly did not stand up to the Islamic terrorists in Beirut.

You raised the issue of Reagan's 11th commandment, then you turn around and take a cheap shot at The Gipper. Amazing. Seems to be a habit among some FReepers lately. Bash Reagan's legacy. Truth is, you don't have you're facts straight. For starters, Reagan had had bigger fish to fry in the 1980`s. He was fighting the Cold War. What happened in Beirut was a tragedy, but it didn't go entirely unanswered.

>>>>Guiliani would be tough ...

Rudi Giuilani supports killing unborn children, placing gun controls on American's RKBA, giving homos special rights like marriage, immigrants unlimited special rights and envirowackos rights over individual freedom guaranteed in the Constitution. Rudi's a liberal alright. No speculation about it.

Not to worry. RudiG won't be getting the GOP nomination. Conservatives will make sure of that. So, you can stop whining and stop the cheap shots at Reagan.

210 posted on 03/20/2006 5:23:55 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I think the Social conservatives will be in for a Rudy awakening...LOL

Litmus tests will be tossed to the curb... for competence.
211 posted on 03/20/2006 5:29:45 PM PST by Blackirish (Spring yeah)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
WHO from the GOP can beat him?

Kerry had his shot and blew it. He will not be the nominee in 2008.

If you believe the hype, Hillary is more likely to run. I, however, have my doubts that Hillary will be the nominee, despite her war chest. More likely she is positioning herself for influence over the ticket, or to be chosen as VP.

She reads the latest polls, in which she is stomped by all Republicans named except Cheney.

But no matter who is chosen on either isle, Republicans cannot afford to back someone who will cost them a significant portion of their base. It would be the height of foolishness to choose someone repulsive to pro-life voters.

If any litmus test exists for Republican voters today, it is the abortion issue. The polls support that notion, and the proof is also in the fact that very few openly pro-choice Republicans get elected to significant office.

BTW, George Allen has been prematurely mentioned by some conservatives as the second coming, but the case could be made that he is actually weaker than McCain on the pro-life agenda. Allen does not believe life begins at conception, but rather once there is a heartbeat (presumably about 12 weeks).

212 posted on 03/22/2006 9:04:07 AM PST by Gelato
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The greatest Pro Life issue is bringing the war on terrorists and the war in Iraq to a successful conclusion.

Moral values, not the war in Iraq, was the greater issue in the 2004 election. See #158. And where voters pointed to Iraq as making the difference in their vote, they went for Kerry, not Bush.

Granted, the war will be a dominant issue in 2008, because the pressure will be even greater for a pull-out. There is no proof that Giuliani would address this in a way more appealing than any other Republican. Better to choose someone who can lead in general, not leaving pro-life, pro-gun, pro-marriage voters in the lurch.

If the anti-abortion movement does not understand this it will become the enemy of the REAL prolife needs.

Rubbish.

213 posted on 03/22/2006 9:18:45 AM PST by Gelato
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To: Gelato

Kow-towing to the Far Right will result in victory for the Party of Treason. 2004 did not show National Security issues to be subordinate to "moral" issues. Your own poll showed "terrorism" to be the greatest concern.

Guiliani would not necessarily have a different or even a better approach to terrorism than others. The crucial point is that he is an expert at communicating his program and far more intelligent that the others.

I am not saying Guiliani is that wonderful but he cannot be written off by claiming he cannot reach the voters or is an automatic loser because the Right will defeat him. That tail will not wag this dog.

From what I see he is the man to beat for the nomination.

The Pro-life movement disgraced and damaged itself in the Schiavo affair showing fanaticism and complete lack of restraint. A very ugly picture.


214 posted on 03/22/2006 9:56:23 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Gelato

Abortion is not to be more important than National Security. If there is a group willing to subordinate National Security to Abortion that group needs to be exposed and driven out of the party.

Though your prediction about Hillary will be shown to be false I asked who in the GOP could beat Guiliani.


215 posted on 03/22/2006 10:05:33 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Reagan Man

A statement of fact is far from a cheap shot. Reagan did exactly as I said he did. And that is FAR from his "legacy".

Nor have I been "whining" about anything. Merely pointing out that the tail does not wag the dog even in GOP primaries.


216 posted on 03/22/2006 10:08:24 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Blackirish

It is remarkable how many people here consider FR part of the mainstream. They are clueless that we are the most conservative 10% of the nation and the Ultra Right not even 2%.


217 posted on 03/22/2006 10:10:06 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Huck
Romney didn't appose gay marriage when he had the chance in 2002. Later he did.

Romney first said that he thinks a woman should have the right to choose because it's a personal matter and he wants to keep abortion safe and legal. Later he said he was a pro-life governor. He said he is personally pro-life, but that he didn't want his personal beliefs forced on to others.

Pro stem cell but anti cloning.

Gun Control: "Mitt Romney supports the strict enforcement of gun laws. He is a supporter of the federal assault weapons ban. Mitt also believes in the rights of those who hunt to responsibly own and use firearms." So, if you don't hunt, you are not allowed to own a gun of any kind.

Romney vetoed a bill in 2004 that would allow illegal immigrants to obtain in-state tuition rates at state colleges.

I really don't understand this "I don't want to force my personal beliefs on to anyone" crap. Then why not throw out your personal beliefs about gay marriage, gun laws etc etc.

What the hell beliefs do we do anything for if their not personal? Men die on the battlefield because of personal beliefs. Personal beliefs of freedom, God, right and wrong.

Romney is wishy washy. Not trustworthy.
218 posted on 03/22/2006 10:44:43 AM PST by SQUID
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To: justshutupandtakeit
It is remarkable how many people here consider FR part of the mainstream. They are clueless that we are the most conservative 10% of the nation and the Ultra Right not even 2%.

Gun owners are arguably the biggest voting bloc in the country. It is because of us that Al Gore is not president. We will NOT allow Rudy to win this primary. I'd be willing to bet you a $50 donation to FR on this. Deal?

219 posted on 03/22/2006 11:12:19 AM PST by jmc813 (I Thessalonians 5:9-11)
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To: UncleSamUSA

Rudy has as much chance as a snowball in hell of getting elected to any national office as a Republican once his liberal record is exposed to the view of red-staters.


220 posted on 03/22/2006 11:15:14 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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